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Robert Green
« on: Tuesday 22 November 11 21:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello.  Have been to this man before but after some more work and in the context of a professional genealogist working on him, i wonder if i could check if there might be something else out there. ::)
His origin is very uncertain:  all we have is the 1851 census:  he is md to Sarah nee Watkins and has 3 children.  Born c1801 in Ardleigh, Essex.  No records found re this.  Many Greens abound. No clear links at all. On his 2nd mg in 1844 to Sarah he is a widower. Much work on this but nothing certain.  We think his first wife was Elizabeth Langlands, widow.  Md in Weeley in 1819.  No issue found.  His 4th child, Jane, my ggm, born in 1855 Weeley.  But at mg of Jane's older brother John in 1866, his record says their father is 'deceased'.  Jane md in 1881 to my ggf George Kemp.  Jane gives her father as 'deceased' a 'Butcher'.  We have a death for Eliz. Green in 1841 which fits with our sequences.
On Robert's mg to Sarah in 1844 he gives his father as a Robert Green, and he is a 'Miller'.  Nothing found on father.  Lots of Roberts with fathers Robert.  Many from 'out of county'. 
Research has indicated that the Welsh cattle industry was prevalent and robust for centuries:  Sarah was from mideastern Wales but we don't know if she came via the Wales-London route met Robert in London then went to Essex or whether she came across country direct to Essex.  Robert/Sarah's first child John b 1845 became a butcher and cattle dealer for decades.  I've contacted Smithfields archives looking for records! Son John md a girl from Hereford.  Sarah's age is conflicting also; we have an SW in West London aged  about 20. 
Any further help or clarification will be joyously received.  Julie
BOYD: Scotland
FERGUSON: Scotland
KEMP:  Wiltshire, Berkshire, Middlesex, Essex, England
GREEN & DEEVES:  Essex, Middlesex, Suffolk, England
MCPHERSON:  Sutherland-Highlands, Edinburgh, Scotland
MILES & MOWAT:  England, South Africa; Australia
GREATREX: England; South Australia
PERKINS:  Cornwall; South Australia
WATKINS: Wales

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Re: Robert Green
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 November 11 23:07 GMT (UK) »
Have you seen the 1841 census in Weeley, Robert and Elizabeth Green and next door are a Langlands family, the head James born in Scotland. Maybe Elizabeths son??


The 1881 census puts James birthplace as Fife Scotland.
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Re: Robert Green
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 November 11 21:55 GMT (UK) »
Hello Sue

Thank you for your interest.   I have noted that Langlands connection and we have decided based on other info that there is a connection, but as with much of my Green ancestry it's 'bits and pieces' only!

Kind regards
Julie
BOYD: Scotland
FERGUSON: Scotland
KEMP:  Wiltshire, Berkshire, Middlesex, Essex, England
GREEN & DEEVES:  Essex, Middlesex, Suffolk, England
MCPHERSON:  Sutherland-Highlands, Edinburgh, Scotland
MILES & MOWAT:  England, South Africa; Australia
GREATREX: England; South Australia
PERKINS:  Cornwall; South Australia
WATKINS: Wales

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Re: Robert Green
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 November 11 22:03 GMT (UK) »
Have sent you a PM Julie.

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Re: Robert Green
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 November 11 23:20 GMT (UK) »
Hello Cobbs.
Replied briefly with thanks.
Julie
BOYD: Scotland
FERGUSON: Scotland
KEMP:  Wiltshire, Berkshire, Middlesex, Essex, England
GREEN & DEEVES:  Essex, Middlesex, Suffolk, England
MCPHERSON:  Sutherland-Highlands, Edinburgh, Scotland
MILES & MOWAT:  England, South Africa; Australia
GREATREX: England; South Australia
PERKINS:  Cornwall; South Australia
WATKINS: Wales

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Re: Robert Green
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 March 12 18:31 GMT (UK) »
Hello.  Have been to this man before but after some more work and in the context of a professional genealogist working on him, i wonder if i could check if there might be something else out there. ::)
His origin is very uncertain:  all we have is the 1851 census:  he is md to Sarah nee Watkins and has 3 children.  Born c1801 in Ardleigh, Essex.  No records found re this.  Many Greens abound. No clear links at all. On his 2nd mg in 1844 to Sarah he is a widower. Much work on this but nothing certain.  We think his first wife was Elizabeth Langlands, widow.  Md in Weeley in 1819.  No issue found.  His 4th child, Jane, my ggm, born in 1855 Weeley.  But at mg of Jane's older brother John in 1866, his record says their father is 'deceased'.  Jane md in 1881 to my ggf George Kemp.  Jane gives her father as 'deceased' a 'Butcher'.  We have a death for Eliz. Green in 1841 which fits with our sequences.
On Robert's mg to Sarah in 1844 he gives his father as a Robert Green, and he is a 'Miller'.  Nothing found on father.  Lots of Roberts with fathers Robert.  Many from 'out of county'. 
Research has indicated that the Welsh cattle industry was prevalent and robust for centuries:  Sarah was from mideastern Wales but we don't know if she came via the Wales-London route met Robert in London then went to Essex or whether she came across country direct to Essex.  Robert/Sarah's first child John b 1845 became a butcher and cattle dealer for decades.  I've contacted Smithfields archives looking for records! Son John md a girl from Hereford.  Sarah's age is conflicting also; we have an SW in West London aged  about 20. 
Any further help or clarification will be joyously received.  Julie
Hi Julie
are you still searching for tghis man  I found this inf on a.........which could lead you into the right direction Robert Fisher Green b octber 1800 in Great Horkesly (not far from ardleigh as the crow flies) married Elizabeth Nopps in 1835 she died in 1839 Then married Sarah Watkins feb 1844 london
Roberts father was Robert wilkinson green (miller) and  his mother Jemima Ladbroke Everitt
any help?
Regards Ronnie :)

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Re: Robert Green
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 March 12 18:31 GMT (UK) »
Hello.  Have been to this man before but after some more work and in the context of a professional genealogist working on him, i wonder if i could check if there might be something else out there. ::)
His origin is very uncertain:  all we have is the 1851 census:  he is md to Sarah nee Watkins and has 3 children.  Born c1801 in Ardleigh, Essex.  No records found re this.  Many Greens abound. No clear links at all. On his 2nd mg in 1844 to Sarah he is a widower. Much work on this but nothing certain.  We think his first wife was Elizabeth Langlands, widow.  Md in Weeley in 1819.  No issue found.  His 4th child, Jane, my ggm, born in 1855 Weeley.  But at mg of Jane's older brother John in 1866, his record says their father is 'deceased'.  Jane md in 1881 to my ggf George Kemp.  Jane gives her father as 'deceased' a 'Butcher'.  We have a death for Eliz. Green in 1841 which fits with our sequences.
On Robert's mg to Sarah in 1844 he gives his father as a Robert Green, and he is a 'Miller'.  Nothing found on father.  Lots of Roberts with fathers Robert.  Many from 'out of county'. 
Research has indicated that the Welsh cattle industry was prevalent and robust for centuries:  Sarah was from mideastern Wales but we don't know if she came via the Wales-London route met Robert in London then went to Essex or whether she came across country direct to Essex.  Robert/Sarah's first child John b 1845 became a butcher and cattle dealer for decades.  I've contacted Smithfields archives looking for records! Son John md a girl from Hereford.  Sarah's age is conflicting also; we have an SW in West London aged  about 20. 
Any further help or clarification will be joyously received.  Julie
Hi Julie
are you still searching for tghis man  I found this inf on a.........which could lead you into the right direction Robert Fisher Green b octber 1800 in Great Horkesly (not far from ardleigh as the crow flies) married Elizabeth Nopps in 1835 she died in 1839 Then married Sarah Watkins feb 1844 london
Roberts father was Robert wilkinson green (miller) and  his mother Jemima Ladbroke Everitt
any help?
Regards Ronnie :) sorry Knopps

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Re: Robert Green
« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 March 12 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Hello Ronnie,

That sounds intriguing!  Can you give me the source for Robert being a "Miller" please!

My 3rd cousin, Peter, and i have had paid research done as well as our own persistent efforts to establish the origins of our known gggrandfather, Robert Green.

Robert Green gave his father as a Robert Green who was a miller on his 1844 marriage registration.  We would dearly love to link the two Roberts together! 

On the 1851 census we have our gggrandfather Robert aged c51, giving his birth year as 1801, and in Ardleigh.  As yet we have no record for this birth but we do have one for a birth in 1785!!??

Are you able to clarify anything further please?!

Kind regards
Julie      
BOYD: Scotland
FERGUSON: Scotland
KEMP:  Wiltshire, Berkshire, Middlesex, Essex, England
GREEN & DEEVES:  Essex, Middlesex, Suffolk, England
MCPHERSON:  Sutherland-Highlands, Edinburgh, Scotland
MILES & MOWAT:  England, South Africa; Australia
GREATREX: England; South Australia
PERKINS:  Cornwall; South Australia
WATKINS: Wales

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Re: Robert Green
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 07:18 GMT (UK) »
Robert Fisher Green was buried in Langham June 26th, 1856 aged 58yrs.

You can rule him out as "your" Robert as he is on the 1851 census in Langham with his wife Elizabeth.


A Robert Green was buried in Weeley January 30th, 1858 aged 70yrs.He was from the Union House.
I am wondering if Robert knocked a few years off his age in the 1851 census. I checked Ardleigh baps from around 1788ish but still couldn't find anything.

Elizabeth Green buried 2nd January, 1842 aged 61yrs.


Where is your 1785 birth?
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