Caroline Street

[Ruskie]

On the 1851 census the family have what appears to be their eldest child age 11, so born 1840, which tallies with an 1838 marriage.

1851
Taleford?
Ottery St Mary
Thomas Street head mar 39 ag lab b Feniton
Elizabeth wife 34 b Ottery
Mary Ann daur 11
Fanny 9
Tom son 4
Eliza daur 1
(all children b Ottery)
HO107/1864/74/2

[keyboard86]

Hi Ruskie the 1841, makes that marriage look a good un!

1851 Census

Thomas Street 39 occ Ag Lab b Feniton
Elizabeth 34
Mary Ann 11
Fanny 9
Tom 4
Eliza 1
Residing at Taleford, Ottery St Mary
Census Ref HO107/1864/74/2

1841 Census

Thomas Street 29 occ Ag Lab
Elizth 24 occ Silk Thrower
Mary 1
Ann HAYMAN 28 occ Silk Thrower
Residing at Jesu Street, Ottery St Mary
Census Ref HO107/237/7/9
Keyboard86

[Ruskie]

That all fits together very nicely indeed. It's so handy when the family has rellies staying. 

[banksiapat]

Ruskie and keyboard86

I'm salaaming all over the place here!  Beggar the housework this is far more interesting.

Thanks once again.

banksiapat

[Annette7]

Hi there

As Caroline ended her days in Scotland I checked SP for her death entry as Scottish certificates state both parents names.   This brings up an anomaly:

Caroline Vesey, widow of Alexander Vesey, Coachman, d.1/11/1935 at 10h 30m A.M. at 65 Dumbarton Road, Glasgow aged 83.

dau. of Thomas Street, Labourer (deceased) and Elizabeth Agnes Street, M.S. (i.e. formerly) Webber (deceased).   

Informant was A. (?) Vesey, son (present) of 578 Dumbarton Road, Glasgow.

Cause of Death is difficult to read - A....... Scleoris (?) Cardiac Dilatation.

Thought I'd better post this as mother not shown as an Elizabeth Hayman - is it possible that Thomas Street married twice?   Or was Elizabeth Hayman a widow when they married?

Annette

[Ruskie]

Annette, that cause of death may be "arteriosclerosis".

That anomaly is definitely worth looking at, but it can happen that the informant does not know the maiden surname of their grandmother, particularly if it was a son who was the informant. 

It may be worth checking Caroline's husband Alexander's parentage in case the informant got the maiden surnames of the maternal grandmothers mixed up. 

The puzzle would be solved by purchasing Caroline's 1853 birth certificate, but I would say that the clincher is that 1841 census which shows an Ann Hayman staying with the family.

Elizabeth a widow when she married Thomas? A possible explanation ....

I'm also a bit concerned about the middle name of Agnes, which isn't included on her marriage or the censuses. 

[banksiapat]

Hi Annette and Ruskie

Thank you for your additional help.  I have ordered a copy of the marriage certificate and sent an email to my cousins in Scotland to see if they know anything at all that could throw light on the names.  Caroline's parents-in-law were Archibald Vesey and Janet (Howison) so no Webber there.

May not be able to follow this line further until the certificate arrives, hopefully before Christmas.

banksiapat

[keyboard86]

Hi Banksiapat, hope you don't mind me including another family member into this thread, but I was curious as to who the James Black aged 1 b Middlesex was on the 1871? Here he is in 1881:-
1881 census

James Black 43 occ Painter b Scotland
Mary A 41 b Ottery St Mary
Thomas R 11 b London Middx
James L 11 b London Middx
Isabella M 7 b London Middx
Residing at 70, Carlton Street, St Pancras, London, Middx
Census ref RG11/217/137/81
Keyboard86

[banksiapat]

Hi Keyboard86,, Annette and Ruskie

The certified copy of the marriage certificate for Caroline and Alexander arrived this afternoon.  It shows the fathers names but not the mothers..  The witnesses were Thomas Webber and Eliza Street.  I know so little about the family that I have no idea about James Black, keyboard 86.  I have the parents of both now and am chasing Archibald Vesey and Mary Scott, Alexanders parents.  So far my ancestors are all Scots (on my father's side) except Caroline so it will be interesting looking for the English connections.

It's really good when you can follow the parents through and at some stage I will have to enter all the offspring that I know about.   Someone else may be researching this line also.

Thanks again for your help.


Happy  Christmas to you all!

Banksiapat