Richard Jones Plate Layer

[JollyMe]

My ggggrandfather is Richard Jones.  He had a son John Jones b 1852 who married Mary Ann Bramwell.   I have tried finding Richard through ordering 15 birth certificates of John Jones born at Wolverhampton but unfortunately none of the certificates have Richard as the father.
John had a son James who married Martha Alice Beattie.  James and Martha emigrated to NZ early 1900.  Their children were May. Fred, Thomas, Lillian and Mary Ann.
Does anyone have any information on this family.

[keyboard86]

Hi could not locate readily this family in 1861, but this 1871 seems to show this John (On original) born Wolverhampton?

Richard Jones 47 occ Engine Foreman b Shrewsbury Shropshire
Phoebe 38 b Hayward Staffordshire
John 18 b Wolverhampton? Staffordshire
Eliza 11 b Birkenhead, Cheshire
William 7 b Birkenhead
Alfred 7 b Birkenhead
Pheobe 5 b Preston, Lancs
Emma L 2 b Preston Lancs
Harriett A 3 months b Bootle Lancs
James Williams 31 Boarder b Lancs
William Lee 19 b Shropshire
Residing at Pleasant Grove, Walton on the Hill, Bootle, Lancs
Census Ref RG10/3832/88/77
Keyboard86

[JollyMe]

Wow - I didn't expect such a quick reply.
I am pretty sure you have the correct family for me as I had previously found a marriage for a Alfred Jones marring Ellen Garnett on 1/8/1885 and Alfred was 21. Groom's father is Richard Jones, plate layer.  So I thought this could well be a brother of John.
The dates above match in with both John and Albert.
Thank you so much.  I have been looking and looking but for some reason could never find them!!!

[keyboard86]

Hi again, the marriage of Richard and Phoebe is important obviously, as the birth  in Staffordshire of John, and also of Phoebe could mean he is not a child of Richard's? That is assuming this is the correct family!
Keyboard86

[JollyMe]

Do you think John had another father because he was born in another district to the rest of the family?

[dotty]

Possibly but if he was a plate layer he would travel.I have a family had five children all born in different places ,their father was a plate layer.

Dotty

[JollyMe]

I have just found a marriage for a Richard Jones, plate layer to Phoebe Ray but they weren't married until 1871.  Unfortunately it only has their ages as Full.

[keyboard86]

Hi interesting find that marriage, as in 1851 there is a Phebee Ray b 1831 Great Hayward with parents William and Mary living in Wolverhampton?
Census ref HO107/2021/724/9
Keyboard86

[Gibel]

I wonder about this one in 1861 RG9 2644 121 25

Stanley Place Birkenhead
Richard Jones 32 dock labourer bn Shropshire
Chealy wife 25 bn Shropshire
John son 8 bn Shropshire
Eliza daur 11m bn Cheshire

Gibel