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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 19 November 11 11:15 GMT (UK) »


It would seem that William and George Rayner, sons of John Rayner and Elizabeth Goldsmith also  lived in Tasmania. William m. 1815, so the Rayner family is in Tasmania before the death of Robert Jones and death of mother Elizabeth Jones.

Elizabeth Jones is a very ordinary name and findingmarriage and death for Elizabeth (b 1798) might not be possible.

You might be able to locate her by association with siblings...witness at marriage of William or George in Tasmania, godmother of children baptised etc.




Tas BDM

William Rayner m Sophia Cullen 3 Jan 1815/168 Hbt 23/17yrs

Mary                           5 Dec 1815/454 1816   Hbt
Eliza                           23 Nov 1817/570 1817   Hbt
Sophia Christina         24 Sep 1819 /753  1819   Hbt
William James            16 Sep 1822/1769 1822  Hbt
Jessie Catherine        21 Oct 1822/2690 1828   Hbt
Rebekah                    14 Jan 1830/3318 1830 Hbt
Henry Augustus         12 May 1834/5843 1834 New Norfolk

death Sophia Rayner       29 Apr 1835/4264 37yrs New Norfolk

 
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8

A second marriage for William Rayner 1840, Mary Meney, Hbt, and death 1862 Castlemaine, Victoria, for William Rayner.

Newspaper item, 1862, has William, late Hbt, dies at home of son Henry in Victoria.


BDM TAS
Marriage for George Rayner b 1794, Hbt 1819, to Mary Pyers, death of George 1840, Hbt


I think you have said
"...All I have as a fact is she was in Tasmania living since 1818 and left Sydney after her father Robert Jones death with her mother Elizabeth Jones nee Rayner nee Goldsmith".

What does this refer to..where do you see Elizabeth Jones in Tasmania 1818?


They sold the house in Sydney and the notice that they were quitting the colony with a public notice in the Gazette dated 12 Sept 1818 and the house was put up for auction..29 Sept 1818..as per the Sydney Gazette
BY MR. LORD,

At his Auction Mart, Macquarie Place, on Tuesday

the 29th Instant, at 12 o'clock precisely,

THAT well known HOUSE and PREMISES, situate

in Cumberland-street, formerly the residence of j   the late Mr. Jones, Assistant Superintendant of Police-.

The House is built of brick, and contains several spacious Apartments, with a Cellar, and a Well con- stantly supplied with good Water, and has the advan- tage of fronting two Streets.

Any Person who may be desirous to purchase the above, by Private Contract, previous to the Day of Sale, will be treated with on Reference to Miss Jones, on the Premises; or Mr. W. Hutchinson, George street.-Prompt Payment.

and as they are in the Musters for Hobart in 1819, on rations list 24 march 1820 and The Hobart Muster of women 1822. Elizabeth Snr died 1823

So 1818 or early 1819.. But they were in Tasmania.

The "Elizabeth Henrietta" was a Government ship and they must have been approved for passage..according to the notices in the gazette.

wow that must be a lot to narrow her down but it isn't as yet..

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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 19 November 11 11:19 GMT (UK) »

The 2 Elizabeths were in Sydney till end of 1818 at the very least..so not this one either.. plus they are both Jones on musters up to 1822

there has to be something somewhere...the land grants..any way of tracking them online???

I wouldn't discount this Elizabeth, yet.  Considering how much travelling this family appears to have done.

Following her I find that.

Thomas Johnson burial 13th Dec 1818 aged 33 (his age at time of marriage in January - 32)
Then I find Elizabeth JOHNSON aged 26 marrying Charles DONN 19th February 1824.
Then I find Elizabeth DONN marrying Henry BUTLER 26th November 1827.

Elizabeth BUTLER dies in Hobart in 22nd August 1875 aged 78.
She is buried with her son Benjamin Thomas JOHNSON at Cornelian Bay CofE Section D No: 27

In Benjamin Thomas' will he mentions his cousin Benjamin Charles JONES.  I think this could be the son of James Jones & Mary Anne Huding.  James is mentioned as another child of Robert & Elizabeth (nee Goldsmith) JONES.  He also mentions his daughter Rosetta JONES child born to him by Mary Ann JONES.  She resided with him and his mother.

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Genni

Genni  the 2 girls are Robert Jones children and William and George Rayner are William Rayner "Scarboroughs" children.. Robert Jones and William Rayner had adjoining farms on Mt Pitt, Norfolk Island..The victualing lists, musters etc don't give them this child..

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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 19 November 11 11:26 GMT (UK) »
The victual list 17 August 1810 has 4 children William, George, Elizabeth and Mary all as Goldsmith..ie Elizabeth Goldsmith who was married to Robert Jones, but she is Goldsmith on all Sydney Musters..

Elizabeth Jones nee Goldsmith was 45 at the time so no James

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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 19 November 11 12:27 GMT (UK) »


When Benjamin Thomas Johnson d. 1883 newspaper notice has him as nephew of James Jones, Rose Hill, Jericho.

Elizabeth who dies as Butler sounds like the correct one...I wonder what children from her marriages, other than Benjamin?


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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 19 November 11 13:20 GMT (UK) »

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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 20 November 11 00:28 GMT (UK) »
Obits - Elizabeth BUTLER 1875:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8939370

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52901092

Oh gosh I just logged and hoping for some joy and Trove is temporarily unavailable...Will try in about an hour.. but Thankyou

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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #24 on: Monday 21 November 11 07:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi

As far as I can tell Benjamin Thomas JOHNSON was Elizabeth JONES' only child.

I picked James up from C J Smees book of the First Fleet Families.

Alson Charles Benjamin JONES mentioned into B T Johnson's will is the son of Robert JONES.

Wondering if Robert had been with someone before Elizabeth Goldsmith.

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Surnames:
Armstrong, Gray, Greco, Lambden, Le Busque, Beaton, Carron, Pitt, Gould
Areas:
Victoria, Tasmania, Hampshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Fermanagh, Glamorgan

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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #25 on: Monday 21 November 11 08:55 GMT (UK) »


Regarding Elizabeth Goldsmith's history...

Have you located a marriage with Wm Rayner, and death for William Rayner?.

Have you located a marriage with Robert Jones?

Is it possible that she was not married to either of these men?

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Re: Elizabeth JONES
« Reply #26 on: Monday 21 November 11 10:11 GMT (UK) »


Regarding Elizabeth Goldsmith's history...

Have you located a marriage with Wm Rayner, and death for William Rayner?.

Have you located a marriage with Robert Jones?

Is it possible that she was not married to either of these men?

The record of the marriage to William Rayner is not recorded from Norfolk Island or records lost but William Rayner registered both his marriages to the Quakers in Hobart and all his children in 1834.. I have the copy of those records..

Robert Jones marriage..it had to be a bigamist marriage by Elizabeth Goldsmith as she was still married to William Rayner, and he married Susan Chapman whilst still married to Elizabeth..

So how much did the marriages count from Norfolk Island if they failed...not much, I suppose they were forced on them as well as the women were sent there to be with the men.

But the relationship with Robert Jones lasted till his death and was recognised by the Police and gave her a pension etc..

but the dates I have are William Rayner 19 Sept 1791 as per the Friends record and 1797 for Robert Jones.

But all the children of Elizabeth Goldsmith were baptised on Norfolk Is. by Rev. H. Fulton the 20 May 1804 and all with the surname of Jones. ie William and George sons of William Rayner and Roberts daughters Elizabeth and Mary. The boys lived with them on Norfolk and in Sydney until the boys went to Hobart..with William Rayner Snr possibly in 1814 as per the public notices but the Williams get mixed up here..