Elizabeth JONES

[heaths]

Heaths
depending on the rain, I plan to go to library sometime today
do you have spouse names, years or registration numbers for these 3 marriages, I will look up on microfilm for you
Lou

All I have as a fact is she was in Tasmania living since 1818 and left Sydney after her father Robert jones death with her mother Elizabeth Jones nee Rayner nee Goldsmith.

Possibly married at New Norfolk or Hobart or maybe never married!!!

Then a death I have 1 possible in 1882 in NSW with right parents names for an Elizabeth Jones reg 1451 and that I think I will order asap.

[louisa b]

marriages
19 Jan 1818 Hobart
Thomas JOHNSTON 32 free
Elizabeth JONES 21 free
witnesses John LORD, David BUSH

11 Feb 1823 Hobart
Henry (Gekes or Jekers) JAMES 24 free
Elizabeth JONES 35 free
witnesses Benjamin NOKES, George NORTHAN
 
27 July 1829 Hobart
William TUCKER bachelor
Elizabeth JONES (convict) spinster; signed with X

23 Nov 1836 Launceston
George YOUNG free widower
Elizabeth JONES convict spinster X

I guess from the ages and convict status you can eliminate most of these?
did not see another marriage between 1829 and 1836

also of note, the 2 children of Mary seem to have been baptised together in 1823, #1451 and 1452 on the index

[~MERLIN~]

There are many family researchers for the JONES, RAYNER, COLLINS, AMOS & further families.
They all seem to have been doing some in depth research. Have you been in contact with any of them?

Perhaps this might give you some insight into Mary (nee JONES) COLLINS:

http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/AUS-NORFOLK-IS/1999-12/0944346250

http://www.curiousfox.com/uk/mbprof2.lasso?eid=138703&-nothing

[heaths]

marriages
19 Jan 1818 Hobart
Thomas JOHNSTON 32 free
Elizabeth JONES 21 free
witnesses John LORD, David BUSH

11 Feb 1823 Hobart
Henry (Gekes or Jekers) JAMES 24 free
Elizabeth JONES 35 free
witnesses Benjamin NOKES, George NORTHAN
 
27 July 1829 Hobart
William TUCKER bachelor
Elizabeth JONES (convict) spinster; signed with X

23 Nov 1836 Launceston
George YOUNG free widower
Elizabeth JONES convict spinster X

I guess from the ages and convict status you can eliminate most of these?
did not see another marriage between 1829 and 1836

also of note, the 2 children of Mary seem to have been baptised together in 1823, #1451 and 1452 on the index

  I thought for a minute the younger man.. but ages don't work..

You are wonderful thankyou at least a negative is a positive in this case..

[heaths]

There are many family researchers for the JONES, RAYNER, COLLINS, AMOS & further families.
They all seem to have been doing some in depth research. Have you been in contact with any of them?

Perhaps this might give you some insight into Mary (nee JONES) COLLINS:

http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/AUS-NORFOLK-IS/1999-12/0944346250

http://www.curiousfox.com/uk/mbprof2.lasso?eid=138703&-nothing

The son got his fathers estate and did very well. I have a mention in the Sydney Gazette that his wife Mary Jackson nee Jones and children inherited eventually.

I have good research on Marys children but not anything concrete on Mary and I am not liking the Bethune theory as I can't get anything as factual on it.

I have been in contact with Rayner researchers as Eliza Rayner is a gggg grandmother of mine through her oldest son Walter de Molesworth Jeffery.

Many thanks.

I think what has me intrigued is the fact that these 2 ladies got a Land Grant each and a 60 pound payment..The house they sold was substancial at 18 Harrington St The rocks. Sydney.. They seem to have moved fast after Robert Jones died to move to Hobart.

Was it common for Land Grants to women?? I don't think they were short of money. or had debts except for owing the Hobart Govt 20 pounds each as pf 21 May 1821 on the list of debts due from individuals.

I have them both on 1819 stock muster,
 on stores  list at Hobart 24 March 1820 with a zero ration and 1 govt man.
 And on Hobart Town muster of women 1822

Then after the mother died.. zilch

[gennig]

Hi

The other marriage in Tasmania is of

Elizabeth Harrington JONES to Peter BREWER in  1833. I think we can rule that one out too, as Elizabeth Harrington BREWER dies aged 80 in 1891.

The middle name caught my eye as it is the same as the street in Sydney.

According to James Donohue's "The people and their Families Tasmania 1803-1820"

An Elizabeth JONES marries Thomas JOHNSON at St David's 19th Jan 1818
Child:- Benjamin Thomas born 12th Dec 1818

A Benjamin Thomas JOHNSON died Hobart 9th June 1883 aged 65 Reg no: 912/1883 RGD35

Regards


Genni

[heaths]

Hi

The other marriage in Tasmania is of

Elizabeth Harrington JONES to Peter BREWER in  1833. I think we can rule that one out too, as Elizabeth Harrington BREWER dies aged 80 in 1891.

The middle name caught my eye as it is the same as the street in Sydney.

According to James Donohue's "The people and their Families Tasmania 1803-1820"

An Elizabeth JONES marries Thomas JOHNSON at St David's 19th Jan 1818
Child:- Benjamin Thomas born 12th Dec 1818

A Benjamin Thomas JOHNSON died Hobart 9th June 1883 aged 65 Reg no: 912/1883 RGD35

Regards


Genni

The 2 Elizabeths were in Sydney till end of 1818 at the very least..so not this one either.. plus they are both Jones on musters up to 1822

there has to be something somewhere...the land grants..any way of tracking them online???

[wivenhoe]

It would seem that William and George Rayner, sons of John Rayner and Elizabeth Goldsmith also  lived in Tasmania. William m. 1815, so the Rayner family is in Tasmania before the death of Robert Jones and death of mother Elizabeth Jones.

Elizabeth Jones is a very ordinary name and findingmarriage and death for Elizabeth (b 1798) might not be possible.

You might be able to locate her by association with siblings...witness at marriage of William or George in Tasmania, godmother of children baptised etc.




Tas BDM

William Rayner m Sophia Cullen 3 Jan 1815/168 Hbt 23/17yrs

Mary                           5 Dec 1815/454 1816   Hbt
Eliza                           23 Nov 1817/570 1817   Hbt
Sophia Christina         24 Sep 1819 /753  1819   Hbt
William James            16 Sep 1822/1769 1822  Hbt
Jessie Catherine        21 Oct 1822/2690 1828   Hbt
Rebekah                    14 Jan 1830/3318 1830 Hbt
Henry Augustus         12 May 1834/5843 1834 New Norfolk

death Sophia Rayner       29 Apr 1835/4264 37yrs New Norfolk

 
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8

A second marriage for William Rayner 1840, Mary Meney, Hbt, and death 1862 Castlemaine, Victoria, for William Rayner.

Newspaper item, 1862, has William, late Hbt, dies at home of son Henry in Victoria.


BDM TAS
Marriage for George Rayner b 1794, Hbt 1819, to Mary Pyers, death of George 1840, Hbt


I think you have said
"...All I have as a fact is she was in Tasmania living since 1818 and left Sydney after her father Robert Jones death with her mother Elizabeth Jones nee Rayner nee Goldsmith".

What does this refer to..where do you see Elizabeth Jones in Tasmania 1818?

[gennig]

The 2 Elizabeths were in Sydney till end of 1818 at the very least..so not this one either.. plus they are both Jones on musters up to 1822

there has to be something somewhere...the land grants..any way of tracking them online???

I wouldn't discount this Elizabeth, yet.  Considering how much travelling this family appears to have done.

Following her I find that.

Thomas Johnson burial 13th Dec 1818 aged 33 (his age at time of marriage in January - 32)
Then I find Elizabeth JOHNSON aged 26 marrying Charles DONN 19th February 1824.
Then I find Elizabeth DONN marrying Henry BUTLER 26th November 1827.

Elizabeth BUTLER dies in Hobart in 22nd August 1875 aged 78.
She is buried with her son Benjamin Thomas JOHNSON at Cornelian Bay CofE Section D No: 27

In Benjamin Thomas' will he mentions his cousin Benjamin Charles JONES.  I think this could be the son of James Jones & Mary Anne Huding.  James is mentioned as another child of Robert & Elizabeth (nee Goldsmith) JONES.  He also mentions his daughter Rosetta JONES child born to him by Mary Ann JONES.  She resided with him and his mother.

Regards


Genni