Looking for James DAVIDSON arriving in OZ

[majm]

Some thoughts

Some online background re Geelong

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4172739  Hobart Courier 31 March 1837


Have you looked through the Trove newspapers for likely candidates for the father of the lass baptised 1835?  Look for Mr Davidson in the 18 months prior to that baptism, eg

Which Mr Davidson was the one who was  a gentleman connected witht he counting-house of Messrs Daves, Gore, & Co?  (although no INITIAL for his first name)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12849150 The Sydney Herald 21 April 1834,

Which Mr Davidson was a clerk to Mr (John) Richards in his Coach Establishment? 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12849566   SMH 9 June 1834


Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there,

I don't know if you have considered some secondary resources, but there's many. Some are mostly indexes of indexes of combined BDM, Musters, Shipping Lists, Military Lists etc, but all give pointers to help. One in particular would be "The Paracensus of Australia 1788-1828", (JH Donohoe);  I have checked for its availability at the National Library of Australia and it is mentioned several times in their electronic catalogue at this link:
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/

Cheers,  JM
 

[majm]

 

Now, who was this particular James Davidson 

From NSW Govt Gazettes

Colonial Secretary 's Office,Sydney, 5th January, 1836
CAMPBELLTOWN, James Davidson , dismissed

Colonial Secretary 's Office,Sydney, 19th January, 1836
CAMPBELLTOWN.
Richard Watkins, free, to be Constable from the 4th instant, and to be stationed at Narellan, in the room of James Davidson, dismissed.


Also, try this link http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/

Oops, adding
Also, re Rev John McGarvie : http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/scots


Cheers,  JM

[~MERLIN~]

I don't know if you have considered some secondary resources, but there's many. Some are mostly indexes of indexes of combined BDM, Musters, Shipping Lists, Military Lists etc, but all give pointers to help. One in particular would be "The Paracensus of Australia 1788-1828", (JH Donohoe).
 

JM, I have 'The Paracensus of Australia 1788-1828'. I will look at it later when I have some spare time 

[muss]

hi

Roots Web - Davidson dated 16 Jul 2007  has James Davidson occ refiner /lawyer dying 1885 bendigo Victoria 72 wife Anne Kelly/Jones, daughters  Jessie born 1835 at Cowper Mary Jane born 1838 Sydney.  There are other comments from family members

 Muss

[majm]

Hi there,

Sorry for long post

  Further to the Registers at St Phillips


i) General Orders issued by Gov Lachlan Macquarie  provide instructions regarding the civil administrations requirements for the recording of  baptisms and burials:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/628072 Sydney Gazette 22 Sept 1810

ii) Legislation (Georgii IV No 21) Gov Thomas Brisbane regarding the recording of and transmitting of records of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, solemnised in the Colony of NSW or any of its Dependencies and towards the end of this cutting :

“(in Case the same shall not have been solemnized or performed by the Established Minister of the Parish wherein the same shall have been solemnized or performed) be transmitted, within One Week from and after such Solemization, to such Established Minister; and such Certificate shall be signed and entered by such Minister, in like Manner as if the same had been by him so solemnized or performed” ..... http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2184654  Sydney Gazette 7 Nov 1825

  From several paragraphs in the Introduction to the book “The Catholics of Nsw 1788-1820 and their Families (JH Donohoe) :

ii) ... “It is most misleading for a researcher to believe that the Church of England records exclude Catholics.  It does not.... It should be remembered that those registers were never exclusive to the Church of England.   .....To suggest that any person found recorded in them was of that faith only is a misnomer”.....

  From info about the Editor of above book

“.... a career Public Servant who has spent thirty years in various areas of Public Administration including .... the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages”.


So the register at St Phillips, contains far more than just records of C of E BDM celebrated at St Phillips,  but as an aside 


“Persons who may wilfully insert false or forged entries, to be guilty of felony, punishable by transportation for fourteen years.”   http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2446837 Colonial Times (Hobart) 23 Dec 1825

  Please don't ask what happened to the clergy who failed to transmit TRUE entries, it probably depended on the proving of wilfulness, v civil law v ecclesiastical law but at the moment I haven't got ready access to my notes as I have lent them to an elderly family member for their comment.  Relying on memory, I doubt there was any contemporary checking of original records against those in St Phillips registers, and I am aware of the hesitance of some clergy of various denominations providing the Established Church with any information about their own congregations.  Compound that with the then prevailing conditions re mail, civil regulations, lack of funding from civil authorities for clergy to perform civil admin functions etc ... I think it would have been a dilemma, but without those St Phillips registers,       

Cheers,  JM

[cocksie]

hi

Roots Web - Davidson dated 16 Jul 2007  has James Davidson occ refiner /lawyer dying 1885 bendigo Victoria 72 wife Anne Kelly/Jones, daughters  Jessie born 1835 at Cowper Mary Jane born 1838 Sydney.  There are other comments from family members

 Muss

Yep there are a few websites, family trees out there but they have the information incorrect.  I have the marriage certificate of Jessie (found in my deceased grandfathers things) and the occupation of James as "refiner/lawyer" is incorrect.  I know where this misinformation comes from - a transcription done incorrectly (which I have seen). 

The info re Jessie born at "Cowper" is also incorrect - somehow the surname of the minister, listed on baptism cert, William Cowper has ended up being the place of birth  ... not sure how this info got so weird. 

James Davidson definitely did not die in Bendigo in 1885 as Jessie & Mary Jane list him as deceased in 1856 when they come back to Australia (having spent some time in Scotland living with their paternal grandparents) and also both girls list him father as deceased at their marriages in 1857 & 1860 respectively (but both put down all info on their Mother including her married surname to Samuel Jones (m. 1847).

I, and a number of other descendants of Jessie & Mary Jane (that I have met during this search for James Davidson) have tried to correct the misinformation out there (some of the other descendants have been trying since 2001 to correct this) but to no avail - despite sending/showing a fairly large stack of bcs, mcs, dcs, census, newspaper articles etc.

Thank you for responding though
cocksie

[cocksie]

Hi there,

  Further to the Registers at St Phillips


i) General Orders issued by Gov Lachlan Macquarie  provide instructions regarding the civil administrations requirements for the recording of  baptisms and burials:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/628072 Sydney Gazette 22 Sept 1810

ii) Legislation (Georgii IV No 21) Gov Thomas Brisbane regarding the recording of and transmitting of records of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, solemnised in the Colony of NSW or any of its Dependencies and towards the end of this cutting :

“(in Case the same shall not have been solemnized or performed by the Established Minister of the Parish wherein the same shall have been solemnized or performed) be transmitted, within One Week from and after such Solemization, to such Established Minister; and such Certificate shall be signed and entered by such Minister, in like Manner as if the same had been by him so solemnized or performed” ..... http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2184654  Sydney Gazette 7 Nov 1825

.......

 

This is causing me quite some consternation!
How, therefore, does one work out if the bc (& in my case the photograph of the parish register page as well) is, in fact a transmitted entry to Mr Cowper or a "real" entry?

I understand the information you posted about the Catholic entries - which explains why many of my very early ancestors in OZ APPEAR to be baptising one child CoE and one child Catholic (and continuing on in this vein so it all APPEARS to be willy nilly - whichever church is closest at the time).

Thank you for all the other info and links in your earlier postings today - will need a bit of time to explore and trawl!

cocksie

[cocksie]

Now, who was this particular James Davidson 

From NSW Govt Gazettes

Colonial Secretary 's Office,Sydney, 5th January, 1836
CAMPBELLTOWN, James Davidson , dismissed

Colonial Secretary 's Office,Sydney, 19th January, 1836
CAMPBELLTOWN.
Richard Watkins, free, to be Constable from the 4th instant, and to be stationed at Narellan, in the room of James Davidson, dismissed.

Am pretty sure that this JD is the same one listed on one of your trove links (which I have just read).  The newspaper article legal case "Watkins vs Soloman".  Pretty sure the "Watkins" referred to in the article as the lessee of the Inn (Mr Davidson clerk & witness) where whole matter blew up!   Campbelltown also mentioned in the article.

This is all getting very interesting!