Looking for James DAVIDSON arriving in OZ

[majm]

Re JD who came free on the Coromandel...  There must be a colonial sentence because he was awarded a Colonial Pardon 12 Oct 1832.   There should be a physical description on that  and info about the offence.
 
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx

Adding I am looking at an Absolute Pardon issued in the 1840s, for a 'came free' person. Sorry, I don't have any 1832 Pardons at hand 

But the 1840s one ..... It names the arrival ship, and date of arrival, gives the full name and place of birth of the person, age of the person when tried and the trial place and original sentence and a full description (height, hair/eyes colour, complexion etc) of the offender as well as the reason for the AP (wrong chap charged, committed, tried by jury, represented by a leading legal wig who failed to convince the jury, then several months later the 'right' chap was located by the Police  ).  Just as well a capital sentence was not awarded. 

Cheers,  JM

[cocksie]

Re JD who came free on the Coromandel...  There must be a colonial sentence because he was awarded a Colonial Pardon 12 Oct 1832.   There should be a physical description on that  and info about the offence.

I have noticed that CP for JD Coromandel.  It is either for JD Snr (father) OR JD Jnr (son).  I "think" the JD jnr (who married Eliza M Suttor) got into the trouble  with alleged cattle stealing a few times (he and his father, brother etc were all living in the area where the alleged cattle stealing occurred).  I read through and followed the cattle stealing items (number of them) in the law link you sent and also through the newspapers.  It was all a bit "iffy" and actually very interesting.  That JD was found guilty of cattle stealing on very tenuous evidence and given a certain kind of death sentence (that actually did not mean death) that was usually lifted .... and, according to what I read, usually resulted in a Col P later down the track.

Do you not sleep?

[majm]

Sleepless JM wonders if that 1832 pardon gives a physical description of the person receiving the CP to help eliminate names on the list.

Cheers JM

[cocksie]

Quick update and odd query for your comment and thoughts please.

Now have collated a spreadsheet of hell of all possible James/John/Joseph/Josiah Davidsons/Davisons/Davies/Davies that I can trace coming to and in OZ between 1810 (age 10, young crim) and 1835 (when first daughter is born) and am slowly attacking each one.  I have traced all the Minstrel possibilities (including the captured bushranger using the alias Davidson - he is also known as Wilson & Writson so this could possibly explain some confusion).  Minstrel suspects are nearly eliminated.  Coromandel suspects (James Snr, James Jnr & John) are elimi" nated (Am 95% certain that James the younger is the one who married Eliza M Sutter, probably the one who got "done" a few times for alleged "cattle stealing" (although whether he actually did steal them is somewhat debatable) and is therefore possibly got the Col P. Plus some others so only have 76 listings of possibilities left to go.  But have had a lovely time trawling Scottish court records in order to eliminate some suspects (or not) as well as going through all your helpful weblinks.

The suspect who is currently piquing my interest is a John Davidson who arrived on the Baring 2 in 1819, convicted in Aberdeen - but have not found his court record(s) yet, which is frustrating as all the other Scottish suspects/court records have been easy to find.  I keep trawling!

However, when the above exploration was driving me mad I went through (with a fine tooth comb) all the documents collated on the daughters of James Davidson.

Daughter Jessie Davidson's baptism certificate of 1835 (St Philips parish Anglican, minister the famous William Cowper) was a little "sparse" with information so I contacted the relevent Anglican Church and (I love them) they photographed the baptism entry from the register and sent it to me via email.  No additional info on in except is the most beautiful  handwriting.

I only have a jpeg of the second daughter's baptism certificate - Mary Jane Davidson in 1838 - which was emailed to me by her descendant.  But is is somewhat intriguing and has got me thinking ...... Mary Jane was baptised 5 months after birth at Parish of St Andrews by the interesting Rev J Garvie Presbyterian (somewhat delayed) AND Parents ABODE is listed as:

"Sydney now Port Phillip (Geelong)"

This is odd ..... what do you think this means?

I have sent off a couple of emails to the Presbyterian people to see where the actual register would be held (I believe Rev Garvie's church is no longer) but have not heard back yet.

cocksie
PS, majm - have not heard back from St george church re subscription list yet

[majm]

Hi

1835 entry is sparse ... probably suggesting it is a transmitted record ie ALL clergy from ALL denominations were supposed to transmit summary info to St Phillips as that was the HQ for NSW Chaplain.  So poss full details would be at same church as the 1838 church.. Poss images for original record PRE transmittal would be held NSW SL in Sydney

Geelong was within the NSW colony's district of Port Phillip.  Geelong has not moved but in 1851 the colony of Victoria was formally establised by hiving it off NSW

Delays in forwarding mail between Port Phillip (Melbourne) and Port Jackson (Sydney) due to sailing rather than overland movement

Keep at it ...

Cheers JM

[majm]

So it is poss that JD was on an appointment task for NSW Col Sec or Surveyor General or NSW Governor re establishing Geelong... and he returned to Sydney for his daughter's Presb baptism... IF so it would be UNLIKELY that that Mrs JD and ther 1st girl would have travelled to and back from Geelong due to her confinement ....  ALL speculations of course... but I think Mrs JD would have chosen Sydney over a tent ..

Cheers JM

[cocksie]

S but I think Mrs JD would have chosen Sydney over a tent ..

Cheers JM

You don't know Mrs JD quite like I know her - she shacks up with anyone, tent or otherwise.  At last and confirmed known account = children have 3 different fathers (one found marriage) with a possible 4th father lurking for one child.

So your reading is the same as mine being:  at least one of the parents was aboding (is that word) in Geelong (possibly). 

My thought process is thus - eldest daughter born & baptised (within the month) in Sydney in 1835. 
Parents possibly move to Geelong area (reason unknown but I do like the idea that at least one of my ancestor was literate and with important surveyors). 
Second daughter born in April 1838 in Geelong and family moves back to Sydney by Sep 1838 where they have second daughter baptised.

Now ... this is potentially getting interesting and might have a bearing on my search for the elusive father James Davidson.

OOOOOHHHH

[cocksie]

Hi

1835 entry is sparse ... probably suggesting it is a transmitted record ie ALL clergy from ALL denominations were supposed to transmit summary info to St Phillips as that was the HQ for NSW Chaplain.  So poss full details would be at same church as the 1838 church.. Poss images for original record PRE transmittal would be held NSW SL in Sydney

 
Cheers JM

Not sure I understand (sorry, am relatively new at this stuff).  Cert & photograph of register both have William Cowper as Minster doing the ceremony.  I have read up on Mr Cowper and I understood he was a well known Anglican minister.  Why would the cert & register have him as the ceremony minister if it was a transmission summary from another church (with another minister) to St Philips?  Am confused.
cocksie

[majm]

Re WHY
Because the printed form words oops, modifying to read : "of the wording of the printed form"...

However St Phillips contains transmiited summaries of bdm events that did not occur within St P's building.   From at least 1810 its parish registers also include those summaries frrom ALL other denominations where the clergy chose to fulfill CIVIL regulations re forwarding from outlying districts/islands to NSW Gov appointed Chaplains ... Wm Cowper was Principal Chaplain. So there are Wesleyan, Scotch, Church of Rome and other dems at St Phillips .  They were meant to be transmitted quarterly but the Gov did not provide funding so the civil law was obeyed more by its breach that by its adherence. 

Cheers JM