Looking for James DAVIDSON arriving in OZ

[cocksie]

Ok, have assessed,  gone to all links suggested and created a spreadsheet in an attempt to bring order to my hunt.
The Minstrel 1825 possibilities have got me stumped but this is what I have managed to put together (or am I confused?):

1.  James/John (yes comes up as both) Davidson/Davison conv. 1824 Cumberland term Life. ToL Port Macqu. Labourer. Marries 1840 Theresa Sheehan Port Macqu. (no kids I can find). dies 14 Sep 1844 Port Macqu. Not feeling like my guy.

2. James Davidson b. abt 1804 Long Town Cumberland. Admitted 1845 to Darlinghurst gaol. Protestant carpenter

3.  James Davidson ToL 1854 (possibly JD No. 2 above)

4.  James Davidson.  ToL Muswellbrook.  Conv 1849 Maitland for escaping gaol.  Injured in escape. (poss JD 2 & 3 above)

5.  James Davies. Conv 1824 Glasgow.  term 14 years.  ToL Moreton Bay. Possibly married Moreton Bay (Merlin)

6.  James Davidson. Conv 1824 Carlisle. CP 1844 (possibly JD 5 above)

7.  James Davidson ToL 1845

8.  John Davies ToL 1849

9.  Joseph Davies.  Conv 1824 Glamorgan, Life.  ToL 1840 & 1841

I think I need assistance please to package these guys up as I believe there are only 3 JDs on the minstrel with an additional JD pretender.

I have discovered, in collation of suspect Davidson/Davison/Davies/Davis possibilities that John/James/Jno are, apparently, interchangeable as I trace them from arrival, through musters, ToL, Cp & CoF etc

The James Davison/Sutter(Elizabeth/Eliza M) marriage is, for some inexplicable reason, quite compelling and I had not thought about an earlier marriage for James.  This couple has at least 3 children, possibly 4 - Elizabeth H 1821, James 1826, Ann E 1830 (Archibold T in 1831 maybe).  But I can't find a death for mother which would nicely explain why James would move on to his new partner Ann(e) Kelly and do further procreating to produce my ancestor Jessie in 1835.  Or maybe James just dumps Elizabeth and moves on regardless.

I have also been tracking James Davidson, clerk at Hughes & Hosking, resident of Castlereagh Street.  This James Davidson disappears from Sydney electors lists, rate assessment books, newspaper articles etc by 1846 - which may or may not mean he went back to Scotland with his daughters following his employee's fall from grace and subsequent court case.  jm - I have sent an email off as suggested but have not heard back - am not hopeful given recent attempts with other denominations but we will see.

AND (possibly quite exciting!)
I have also found a JOHN Davidson convicted 25 Sep 1818 in ABERDEEN.  Sentenced to 14 years.  Transported on the Baring, arriving Jun 1819 .  I can spot him in an 1821 muster (very clearly John not James) but then he seems to go to ground.  Any info/pointers on this bloke would be much appreciated.

cocksie
PS  thank you SOO much for all your suggestions/assistance to date and all the fantastic weblinks you have provided. Online historical newspapers and me = paradise!

[majm]

Hi there,

Re Elizabeth SUTTER.  I am fairly confident that it should be read as SUTTOR. 
http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/default.htm 

I think this would be her:
Eliza Maria SUTTOR, baptised at St Johns, (C of E) Parramatta, daughter of George and Maria SUTTOR.  (some indexes have it as SUTTER, but)  some years ago when I was regularly transcribing I clearly read SUTTOR on many of the records and recall there were references to Geo being the Superintendent of the "Lunatic Asylum" at Castle Hill.

George (Senior) and George (Junior) have many indexed entries at the Col Sec's papers 1788-1825.

I know that many of the early burials are not easily found on the NSW BDM indexes.  Sometimes these are findable by other means without much difficulty.

But I will ponder and pull thinking cap again and again 

ADDING
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/suttor-george-1270   From this bio, you will notice he replaced Rev Marsden at that Asylum.  Rev Marsden was the clergyman at St John's Parramatta, among his many duties.   The bio gives Geo as the father of five sons and three daughters.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/hosking-john-2200

The HUGHES family were connected to the TERRY family, so the HUGHES of H & H would most likely be John Terry HUGHES, JTH was a nephew to Samuel Terry.
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/howe-george-terry-2204  (the Sydney Gazette at Trove is this family)
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/terry-samuel-2721

Sorry, not really helping to figure out which of your candidates for JD is yours  but the population of the colony was quite small prior to the 1830's emigrations.

Adding
Hughes & Hoskings
http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/hosking_john#ref=49762

Cheers,  JM

[cocksie]

The search for my JD leads me into interesting areas.  I am familiar with Samuel Terry - his son & heir Edward Terry married my 3 great grand aunt Elizabeth Mann (we believe).  Edward Esq died young (1838) a couple of years after being charged with a violet assault on his wife.  He, however, somehow charmed his way back into his wife's good graces and the charges were dropped. 

I imagine that Sydney prior to and including 1835 did not have a huge population ..... so it is intriguing to me that some of my early australian ancestors are so hard to find, track or trace (ok, ok, I accept that the lower working class, poverty struck, convict types probably didn't write letters to the editor) - the women in particular.  And they are the ones that often intrigue me the most.

cocksie
PS James Davidson of the Minstral 1825 up in Maitland was also known as James Wilson or James Writson.  Bushranger, in and out and escaping from gaol.  Robbed the Singleton mail, attempted to stab a constable, then escaped from gaol with a William Smith before being apprehended.  6ft, well built, weathered with determined appearance.  Ended up getting 10 year road sentence, 3 in chains.  Must have been a good boy in gaol as ToL in 1854 Muswellbrook.  Aint mine but an interesting story.

[majm]

Re SUTTOR

This link shows a submitted tree for George Suttor and his wife, Sarah Maria Dobinson.  It shows Eliza Maria SUTTOR 1801-1879 and as their daughter, also has Eliza's marriage 22 Sept 1819 to James Davison.

At that link, the submitter has that James Davison 1799-1862, arriving NSW 13 June 1802, (ex the Coromandel) as the son of James Arthur DAVISON and his wife Jane Johnston.

http://www.easystreetretreat.com.au/australianroyalty/individual.php?pid=I70651&ged=purnellmccord.ged#personal_facts
 
The 1879 death for Eliza has not been clearly sourced, it relies on email exchanges, and does not include day/month or place.  I would hope it is not relying on the NSW BDM index giving and Eliza DAVIDSON d.c. #  5526 registered Goulburn, with parents named on that index as William O and Ann.

 Oops, adding (fingers ahead of the grey cells)  from NSW BDM online index I note that James Davison d.c. 1862 # 1483, gives age 65, death in the Newtown district.
 
Cheers,  JM

[cocksie]

jm
thanks for the lead.
Have had a snoop around.  The James Davison who married Elizabeth/Eliza M Sutter did come on the Commondel with his father, mother and brother James - all free.  This is the James Davison Snr, James Davison Jnr with others who buy up great amounts of land over the next 30 years or so.  I have tracked this family previously through papers and BDMs etc but somehow missed the marriage of James Jnr to Eliza M (this piece of jigsaw slots in nicely). 

This lot of Davidsons/Davisons is not mine - they leave great tracks and traces to follow that in no way fit in a James Davison (parents George & Isabel from Scotland) shacking up with an Ann(e) Kelly and having two daughters in 1835 and 1838. 

With your help I am, at least, deleting suspects!

[majm]

With your help I am, at least, deleting suspects!

We just need to find a physical description of YOUR lad !  that will help re the 6ft tall chap with a criminal record a yard long !

Cheers,  JM

[cocksie]

Am laughing

Because I have actually (over the years) made contact with a number of descendents of my JDs daughters (and, wierdly enough, descendents of JDs partner's later children) ..... from what I can gather none of us are 6ft, possibly few of us have a "determined appearance" and more and more of us are looking "weathered".

But all of us are stuck with the JD brickwall and his brickwall partner Ann(e) Kelly (who also left a confusing, contradictory and nonsensical trail).

[majm]

Re Hughes & Hosking (the JD who was clerking there etc)

http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/nsw/cases/case_index/1840/hosking_v_rosetta_terry_and_others/

http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/nsw/cases/case_index/1827/r_v_davison/   James Davison, late of Pitt-town, in the Colony of New South Wales, was indicted for stealing three cows, and two bullocks, the property of Richard Cobcroft, at Wilberforce, on the 12th of June last.  Further trial also noted later that same year.  

(Tip Mr Geggle is your friend  type into search engine box  "Macquarie Law School : Davidson" )

Laughing here too, you forgot to mention if any had yard long crim sheets to hide in their closets...

Cheers,  JM