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Looking for James DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« on: Sunday 06 November 11 04:55 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone see this bloke arriving in OZ?
JAMES DAVIDSON born 1800 Laurencekirk, Kincardinshire, Scotland
Arrives by himself (parents George & Isabella stay firmly in Scotland) and is first found as father on birth certificate of first child, Jessie Davidson (b. 13th March 1835, chr. 19th April 1835 Parish of St Phillip's, Sydney). 
James is described as a Clerk on this birth certificate (which is repeated on certificate of next child, Mary Jane, in 1838).

So, I have been looking for a James Davidson (and variant spellings thereof) arriving somewhere in Australia between 1815-1835 and found nothing.  Help!

No, there is no marriage to the mother, Ann(e) Kelly, that can be found.  And she is a very interesting and busy woman, who attracts menfolk so nothing surprises me.

No, there is no death that can be found to date, although I believe that he died back in Scotland in 1852 (according to James' father's death certificate).  To put this death into context, James' children can be found back in Scotland in 1851 census, Mary Jane with her grandparents and Jessie around the corner as a house maid (no James to be found).  Girls then travel back to OZ in 1856 and cite father as dead and mother living in Sydney with a new surname, another (or possibly legally first) hubbie and some additional children.

If I could find James Davidson arriving in OZ it would stop me lying awake at night wondering .....
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Re: Looking for JAMES DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 November 11 05:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

What about the James Davidson who arrived on the Minstral in 1825?

He got into trouble up Muswellbrook way in 1849, was tried at Maitland Sept 1849. 

(Edit to add, some indexes have the ship as Minstrel  http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/ )

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Looking for JAMES DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 November 11 06:11 GMT (UK) »
James Davidson on the Minstrel was tried at Cumberland Assizes which   would have not been too far away from Scotland, although a fair way from Aberdeen.  He got life and appears to arrive with an Arthur Kelly.

My James Davidson had two daughters in 1835 and 1838 in Sydney.  The daughters next turn up in 1851 Scotland Census with their paternal grandparents.  The mother, Ann(e) Kelly, is well and truly back in Australia in 1851 having had a number of children to her boss and then more with her next husband. 

So .... working with this information .... I doubt the girls travelled back to Scotland unaccompanied (between 1838 birth of Mary Jane and 1851 Scotland Census) but maybe I am being a fuddy duddy.  In scotland the girls are with their father's parents .... leads me to think that dad, James Davidson, took them back. 

The Minstrell James D is an ex con (potentially from Cumberland), again in trouble in 1849 in Maitland.  I am off to trove to see if I can find what his trouble in Maitland was (I am unfamiliar with tracking down Australian legal stuff although getting better online with UK info).  If minor trouble (which would allow him to then take girls back to Scotland) then this bloke could be a suspect.

Be back soon.
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Re: Looking for JAMES DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 November 11 06:20 GMT (UK) »
The Minstrel James D arr 1825, in trouble Maitland in 1849 is not my guy - I checked him out in Trove.  The 1849 incident was not minor - escape from gaol and caught and injured quite seriously.  But I don't think this James Davidson was in a position to take his daughters back to Scotland after this incident - he seems to be stuck in gaol for rather a long time.

Unless the daughters did travel back by themselves .... if they travelled back in 1851 (in months just prior to scottish census) then the eldest, Jessie, would have been only just 15.  I just can't picture this but, as I posted before, maybe I am an old fuddy duddy.

Thanks for the potential lead though!
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Re: Looking for JAMES DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 November 11 07:01 GMT (UK) »
Can you tell me if James had any siblings & their names also the year of birth for his parents?


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Re: Looking for JAMES DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 November 11 07:36 GMT (UK) »
Cocksie,

I have arriving into OZ in the early 1850s two brothers, unaccompanied from the UK.  One was aged 14, the other 10, and their arrival documents confirm that too.  Neither could read and write, yet their parents let them come half way around the globe, the lads sent funds home too (product of their gold fevers), and sponsored an even younger bro to OZ several years later.   So it is possible the Davidson girls returned to Scotland without their Dad. 

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Looking for JAMES DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 November 11 08:13 GMT (UK) »
I hope you keep the chap ex the Mistrel on the horizon for a while yet  ;)

I have looked at several images regarding him, and there's some flexible d o b ranging from 1797 to 1812  ::)  ::) however there is one specific record that you may find of interest.

Admission to Darlinghurst in 1845 gives him born 1804 standing 5 ft 11 3/4 in tall (now that's precise), stout build with fresh complexion, brown hair and grey to hazel eyes, born Long Town Cumberland, Protestant, Carpenter,

And the NSW SRO has the T o L for the chap at Maitland SAept 1849 as issued in 1854 .... ref 54/186  I think the number indicates early 1854.

 ;D  ;D  ;D AND another chap in NSW pre 1835 ...  

James Davidson, (Junior) sought land in 1833 ... as per NSW SRO CSLand index.

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Looking for JAMES DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 November 11 09:29 GMT (UK) »
In answer to Merlin first:
1.  James Davidson had no siblings that I have been able to find in Laurencekirk (James was christened 15 Nov 1800 Laurencekirk - obviously a premature birth - refer 3.  below). 

2.  His parents were George Davidson and Isabella Croll who can be found in 1841 scottish census living together (by themselves) in West Aberdeen and again in 1851 in Brechin with their New South Wales born grand daughter Mary Jane. 

3.  I have George Davidson's scottish death register in 1855 - (very detailed, love the Scots!) lists his wife (Isabel nee Croll) as deceased (1853) and son James deceased (1852) age 51, also lists that George had been living in Aberdeenshire for 55 years so am assuming that, not long after James birth, the family moved to Aberdeenshire.  George was born 1768 and Isabella (nee croll) in 1780, both in Scotland.  George & Isabella were married Jun 1800 Laurencekirk.

And answers, responses to majm
I am keeping JD ex Mistrel on the horizon don't you worry.  I keep them all until definitely scrubbed.  Am not sure though - info you have found doesn't add up to being my guy: wrong birth place, wrong trade.  My problem is with the dates for the Minstrel suspect.  I can't find a death for a James Davidson in OZ between T o L 1854 and 1856.

My James was definitely dead by 1856 (as listed by daughters when they returned to Aus)
If I have his parents correct (which I believe I have, based on 1851 scottish census where Mary Jane Davidson, grand daughter born in NSW, living with them and sister Jessie living and working just round the corner) then informant for father reckons son James is dead in 1852.
My premise for the girls returning to OZ on the Commodore Perry in 1856 is:  father dies 1852 (where is unknown), grandma dies 1853, grandpa dies 1855, no close family in Scotland, mother still in Sydney so that is where they head.  Mum is listed as paying the "bounty" (not sure if that is what it called) by the way.

I have looked into the James Davidson Jnr previously.  He had a father, also James Davidson and there was another chap that they teamed up with to buy land for much of 1830s and early 1840s (found on trove).  This does not work with what I believe/think I know. 

To tell the truth, I have been eyeing off a James Davidson who was a clerk working for a firm called Hughes & Hosking in Sydney.  There are a number of mentions of this clerk James Davidson on trove from about 1838 until 1845 - particularly in the supreme court where this chap is a witness.  It is quite interesting to follow as in  the depression of 1843 Hughes & Hosking became insolvent and brought down the Bank of Australia.  This James Davidson also gave money to "erect in the south end of Sydney, a Presbyterian Church, in connexion (sic) with the Established Church of Scotland" ..... (as an aside).

If this is my James Davidson it could well explain why he grabbed the kids and took them back to Scotland after the trial ..... he wouldn't have been the most popular bloke.

Although, as you point out majm - the girls could well have gone back to Scotland by themselves.  Scary!  This info is going to change the way I am viewing the situation - I will need to reassess.

Another bit of information that maybe important - the "wife" of James Davidson and mother of his children had 2 further illegitimate children with Judge James Donnithorne in 1841 and 1845 (all mentioned in Donnithorne's will), followed by a marriage to another bloke (Samuel Jones) in 1847 (with further children in 1847, 1850 & 1854). 

This could suggest that James was a single parent from at least 1847 (possibly from 1841). Which led me to think he took the girls back to his mum and dad.  But maybe he just sent them back.

Its quite a complicated story from 1841 onwards but that story does not seem to provide me with the clues to help me establish:
when, before 1835, James Davidson arrived in OZ? 

Apologies for rambling on and thank you for your interest and help.  I probably need to do a "dot point" timeline/bc/mc/dc summary, easier than reading through my scrambled thoughts.

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Re: Looking for JAMES DAVIDSON arriving in OZ
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 November 11 09:42 GMT (UK) »
No apologies needed/wanted/sought by me, for, that is simply grand summary to read through and thus to try to confirm/eliminate etc  ;) 

There's another lot of newspapers online, and for the 1840's however these are NOT keyword searchable.  This is the online papers pre the technology that brings us TROVE.  I hope you have lots of patience with the following link: http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/about/index.html  (Add, Oops, this gets you to the search option quicker : 
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/search.html )
Also, there's intercolonial news to be found in the NZ digitised papers, another ongoing project akin to Trove.  Here's that link too http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast 

Cheers, JM 
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