Looking to trace back my family Harle / Reed

[chrisharlereed]

Hi all,

I stumbled upon this forum after searching my middle and surnames on google.

My name is Christopher Harle Reed

Every first born son in my dad's side of the family has the middle name Harle and the surname Reed - so I was interested to begin tracing it back and finding out the history.

From looking on this website it seems there was a George Harle Reed who was from Durham, which is more than likely a relative of mine as my grandad Henry Harle Reed was also from the Newcastle area.

My great grandfather's name was Thomas Reed. We're not sure if he had the middle name Harle, and my dad and I were just interested to know where our middle name comes from.

If anyone can help out it would be greatly appreciated!

[gc1]

Have you tried looking on the LDS site?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0oat/

Worth a look

[Annette7]

I think I have found the link.

Can only find 3 definite Henry Harle Reed's:

Henry Harle Reed b.25/6/1920 Newcastle - mothers maiden name Grieveson - d.2000 Wandsworth
 (a John Thomas Reed married a Margaret Grieveson 1920 Newcastle)

Henry Harle Reed b.18/12/1900 Durham, d.1992 Newcastle
(census shows that he was son of Henry Harle Reed - bc.1873 - and Mary Jane Bellis who married 1895 Durham) 

Census shows that John Thomas Reed and Henry Harle Reed were brothers.   Could your gt. grandfather 'Thomas' actually be John Thomas?

The first Henry Harle Reed is son of a George Reed and wife Jane Sarah.   Cannot find a marriage between them.   Census shows she was bc.1838 Birtley, Durham and her name was Jane Sarah Harle, dau. of Henry.

Jane Sarah Harle appears to have married a Robert Norwood in December quarter 1857 Weardale Regn. District, Durham.   By 1861 they are living separately (each with their parents) and Jane has 2 children.

I lose track of Robert Norwood after then.   In 1871 Jane Sarah Norwood is still shown as married but by 1881 she is with George Reed bc.1834 Morpeth, Northumberland.

1881 Census - 79 Gilesgate, St. Giles, Durham

George Reed    47       Joiner (Journeyman)    b. Morpeth, Northumberland
Jane S. Reed    43                                         b. Birtley, Durham
Henry H. Reed  7                                           b. City of Durham
Sarah I. Norwood  Step-dau.  22   Dressmaker  b. Towlaw, Durham
John T. Norwood    Step-son   20   Moulder             ditto

Ref. RG11 - 4961 - 40 - 24

So, the first Henry Harle Reed is the only child of George Reed and Jane Sarah Harle (formerly married to Robert Norwood) but I cannot find a marriage between George Reed and a Jane Sarah Norwood - I wonder if she'd been deserted by her first husband Robert and thus unable to marry George Reed.   Certainly, her only child with George is registered as Henry Harle Reed and she died as Jane S. Reed in 1922.

Your refer to a George Harle Reed - there was one b.1902, a brother of Henry Harle Reed b.1900 and John Thomas Reed b.1895.

Hope this helps.

Annette 

[Gordonbell25]

Christopher

Was your grandfather, Henry Harle Reed, born in Newcastle in 1920? If so, then we are related and I have information that will connect you back to Thomas Harle born in Co Durham c1742.

In relation to Annette7's discovery, Robert Norwood died in 1864 in Tow Law, aged only 30, but it was clear that the marriage to Jane Sarah was in trouble in 1861 as he is living with his parents in Tow Law at the time of the census. Jane Sarah did actually marry George Reed in 1874 in Newcastle upon Tyne, however he is listed in the indices as George REID and Jane Sarah used her maiden name of Harle.

Also Thomas Reed was John Thomas Reed and was known by his middle name.

Do get in touch if you can establish the connection with your grandfather as detailed above.

Regards

Gordon

[chrisharlereed]

This is fantastic thankyou for the replies!

I've spoken to my dad - Alan Harle Reed.

We're pretty certain this is my grandad

Henry Harle Reed b.25/6/1920 Newcastle - mothers maiden name Grieveson - d.2000 Wandsworth
(a John Thomas Reed married a Margaret Grieveson 1920 Newcastle)

Gordon I'd definitely be interested in hearing about all these ancestors!

[elaineb37]

This is my family!  my grandfather is George Harle Reed and my mother was also Harle Reed.

I have been trying to solve the mystery  of Robert Norwood for a few years, I don't believe he died in 1864.  Jane Sarah had a son, Robert Norwood, in 1868 and I can't see any reason why this would not also be the child of Robert Norwood, also Jane Sarah's brother died in 1869 of 'brain disease' informant and present at the death was none other than Robert Norwood (I have the death certificate) so it seems he was alive at least on 6 May 1869 after that the trail goes cold, I can't see any sign of his death in the registers, I have also been unable to trace a marriage between Jane Sarah and George Reed however I see that Gordon has discovered the misspelling of Reed so I am off to research that now!

Elaine

[Gordonbell25]

Elaine - I think you may well be right here. Looking at the 1871 census, Jane Sarah is living with her parents and children but not her husband. She is, however, described as married so we might assume then that Robert is still alive. However, I cannot trace him on this or any subsequent censuses. I suspect he and Jane may have had an agreement to go their separate ways and he possibly took on a new identity. That would allow her to marry George Reed, albeit it was bigamy but such was more common in days when divorce was beyond the reach for the majority. It is interesting that when she married George, she did so with her maiden name of Harle rather than her married name of Norwood so I would guess she purported to be single. The marriage certificate should confirm - Registered in Newcastle upon Tyne, June 1874 quarter, Vol 10b, Page 225, note that Reed is spelt Reid.

So back to Robert Norwood. There are three birth entries for someone of this name in the Weardale Registration District between 1861 and 1871, in the quarters ending June 1863, March 1865 and September 1868. There are also two deaths, in September 1864 and March 1865. I believe that these deaths relate to the first two births and that all three were the sons of Jane and Robert. We see in the 1871 census, a two year old Robert Norwood, albeit his relationship to the Head of the household is missing, which would be consistent and also explain the gap in ages between 10 year old John and 2 year old Robert.

I cannot, however, find any record of Robert's death subsequently either in Durham or elsewhere in England and Wales. The surname is relatively uncommon so I was hoping it might show up somewhere. I guess we may not know.

Chris - Elaine's message has prompted me that I have not sent you the promised lineage for your tree. Apologies, I will do this in the next few days.

Gordon

[Hampshire Lass]

Hi all,

Not exactly sure how my ancestors fit into all of this info but my 3x great grandmother was Hannah Harle, born in Newcastle in 1803. 

She married John Maughan in Newcastle in 1823.

Their grandaughter Elizabeth Hannah Maughan married William Henry Reed.

I don't think I have any of the people mentioned on this thread on my tree but have only had a quick look so far. I expect we're related in some way and it certainly seems as though more than one Harle married more than one Reed in the Northumberland area.

Best wishes HL

[Gordonbell25]

Chris / Elaine

Here are the details I have for the lineage of your families:-

Thomas Harle was born in 1742 (no details of place or occupation). He married Ann Oliver on 22 July 1765 in Ryton, Co Durham, and had 3 children however Ann died on 30 May 1772 in Winlaton, Co Durham. Thomas remarried to a Dorothy Harle on 9 November 1776 at Chester le Street, Co Durham. They had 2 children as far as I can see, including Thomas Harle, born 4 July 1779 in Winlaton. Thomas senior died 30 October 1819 in Chester le Street. I cannot trace a burial record for Dorothy.

Thomas Harle, born 4 July 1779, was a nailer by occupation. He married Sarah Ibbotson (born Leeds in c1779) at Chester le Street on 4 March 1799. They had 6 children, including Henry Harle on 22 August 1813 (at Chester le Street). Henry was the youngest child. Thomas died 12 July 1852 at Chester le Street, Sarah on 7 July 1843 also at Chester le Street.

Henry Harle, born 22 August 1813, married Isabella Dunn (born c1808 in Chester le St), on 14 February 1831 in Chester le Street. They had three children of whom Jane Sarah, born 1837 in Chester le St, was the middle child. Henry died in 1894 at Tow Law and Isabella the previous year, also at Tow Law.

We've covered part of Jane's history but to recap, she married Robert Norwood in 1857 and had 5 children from that marriage of whom 3 we believe were called Robert. We don't yet know what happened to Robert but Jane married George Reed (born c1834 in Morpeth, Northumberland) in 1874 in Newcastle upon Tyne and had a son, Henry Harle Reed, born 1874 in Durham. George died in Durham in 1892 and Jane in Co Durham in 1922.

Henry Harle Reed married Mary Jane Bellis (born c1876 in Broomside, Co Durham) in 1895 in Durham. They had 5 children including John Thomas Reed in 1896 in Durham (he was the eldest). John Thomas Reed married Margaret Grieveson in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1920.

Chris, I think you know the rest from there. By the way, did you know that there is a record of a marriage in Sunderland in 1916 between George H (presumably Harle) Reed and Ellan Grieveson. Seems like a coincidence (Elaine, was this your grandfather?).

Gordon