Help to find Henry Simmons

[rosie99]

Hi Julie 

So glad we were on the right track.

For anyone looking the School records give his father as James Simmons and the address 6 Eleanor Street as as 5th November 1894 and on  17th June 1895 as 67 Coutts Road - School High Street, Bow

and as a reminder in 1891 Henry was being called Arminger 

RG12/285 f66 p9
Florence Arminger Head Widow age (Could be 32 line drawn through it) bn St Pancras
Minnie Arminger sister in law single bn Old Ford
David Son age 11 bn Hoxton
Henry Son age 2 bn St George in the East
Eleanor age 5 Niece
Bessie age 1 Niece

Rosie

[carol8353]

I wonder if it is Florence Arminger 

1891
RG12/285 f66 p9
Florence Arminger Head Widow age (Could be 32 line drawn through it) bn St Pancras
Minnie Arminger sister in law single bn Old Ford
David Son age 11 bn Hoxton
Henry Son age 2 bn St George in the East
Eleanor age 5 Niece
Bessie age 1 Niece

I don't believe she was married as there is a likely candidate in 1881 with that name who is single
RG11/ 239 f 40 p 21
Florence H.  Arminger age 22 Domestic Servant Cook bn St Pancras


Births December qtr 1858   
Florence Henrietta Arminger    Pancras  1b 131

Well done Rosie you found this back in Nov 2011 
But now we have confirmation to say it's correct.

I'm having to read back through the thread as I'd forgotten all we'd found...or not!

Carol

[jbj63]

Hello All

I'm still looking for Henry.  Any ideas?  Is there anything else to try?

I have found some ancestors of two of Henry's brothers recently, but, unfortunately, they can't help.

As per my previous post, I know for definite that Florence Henrietta Arminger was Henry's mother.  It is quite a difficult family to trace as Florence's sisters all seem to have had children out of wedlock  and so did Florence's mother.  It would also appear that Florence's younger sister Miriam Daviss Arminger (Known as Minnie) was in fact the daughter of elder sister Elizabeth.  All very complicated!

Any advice on the next step would be appreciated.

jbj63

[toastbutler]

Hello All

I'm still looking for Henry.  Any ideas?  Is there anything else to try?

jbj63

I have been following this post with interest and would like to offer a suggestion.
The findings so far by the Roots Chat Members have been impressive and have
helped to narrow down the birth of your Henry Simmons. Unfortunately he is hiding
somewhere in the records and is proving difficult to locate. It is possible his birth
was registered but not as Henry. Often a child was registered without a first name
and entered into the registers with the first name as either Male or Female.

Henry's date of birth is stated as 16th June 1889. So if his birth was registered
correctly it would have been in the June or September quarters 1889.

There are :
about 160 entries for Male (all surnames) registered London, June September Q 1889 and
about 160 entries for Male (all surnames) registered Middlesex, June September Q 1889
I didn't count them exactly because they are in a list so it is my best estimate.

As you are not 100% sure of his surname it might be worth looking at the entries to see if
anything stand out and looks promising with your knowledge of the family.

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I also noticed an entry that might be of interest.

Births Sep 1889
SIMMONS,  Jenny
St. Geo. East (Registration District)
1c 340   

I have looked at the image of the General Register Office (GRO) index and it is Jenny.
If the handwriting of the GRO certificate was very bad is it possible that Henry has been
mis-transcribed as Jenny. The H for a J and the r for an n.
J e n n y
H e n r y
Is it possible that the writing in the quarterly entry from the registrar submitted to the GRO
was so bad that it was entered into the indexes incorrectly?

I have tried to disprove this by looking at census entries but have not been able to do so.
Maybe someone else can disprove this?

If this is to be proved/disproved a certificate from the Local Register Office would be preferable.

Sorry not to have anything definate but maybe food for thought.

Regards, Dave.

[toastbutler]

Sorry to say I think I have disproved or at least weakened the Jenny - Henry theory:

1901 census Jennie Simmons in St Botolph Aldgate age 12 born London
Father Angel Simmons.

In the 1891 census she is named as Jane but born St George in East age 1

Back to the drawing board !

[jbj63]

Hi everyone

I still haven't found Henry, but after an email from a family member who is related to Henry's brother William, I now have a possible new lead.

She said that she remembers the surname Evans from a conversation some 40 years ago.  She doesn't know if it was definitely in relation to my grandfather, but feels it could be worth following up.

On top of this I am in possession of a Silver World War 1 badge given to me by my Mum.  The number on the badge corresponds to a James Iviss.  My Mum always believed it was her father Henry's, but that obviously isn't right.  I'm wondering if this James Iviss could have been Henry's father.  Bit of a long shot, I know, but you have to try everything.

I am having trouble tracing James Iviss and have come across many spellings including Ives, Eves, Ivies etc.  So it is not so different from Evans.

Can anybody help with tracing more on James?

[carol8353]

You mention a WW1 badge,and say that the number on it refers to a James Iviss.

What other info is on the badge- the number for example 

Carol

[jbj63]

Hi Carol

The number on the badge is 323987 and refers to Sapper James Iviss.  Regiment number: 233989.  Unit: RQTD (Road and Quarry Troops detachment).  Enlisted 1/2/1917 discharged: 20/11/1917 aged 49.

[carol8353]

Ah he says he's born in London c 1868 but living in Brighton.

I can't find him on any census though 

Carol