Help to find Henry Simmons

[carol8353]

Marriage at St Paul's Bow Common on 10th Feb 1901 of..

David Owen 22, bach. carman, of 18 Joseph Street,dad David Owen a clerk.

Alice Mary Maria Smith 24 Spin. same address dad Alfred Henry Smith gate keeper.

Witnesses Alfred Henry Smith and Emily Elizabeth Hammond.

Carol

Emily is dau of Edward Hammond and lived next door to the Simmons's in 1901.

[jbj63]

Marriage at St Paul's Bow Common on 10th Feb 1901 of..

David Owen 22, bach. carman, of 18 Joseph Street,dad David Owen a clerk.

Alice Mary Maria Smith 24 Spin. same address dad Alfred Henry Smith gate keeper.

Witnesses Alfred Henry Smith and Emily Elizabeth Hammond.

Carol

Emily is dau of Edward Hammond and lived next door to the Simmons's in 1901.

The plot thickens!  So it would appear that David Owen did have a father after all.  Maybe he was David Owen Arminger because he was given both parent's surnames and Owen was never meant to be a middle name.

The Hammond link is interesting too!

You really are stars!

thanks so much for all your help.

Julie

[rosie99]

Well done Carol, I didn't spot that marriage.  

Julie has found the death for Davids wife in Barnstaple reg district in 1937 - There are some marriages that would fit as well there but won't post details on here.  No sign of Davids death there though.


Just because David puts a fathers name on his marriage certificate it does not mean that is his father. It is quite common for illegitimate children to make up their fathers name and occupation.

The Hammond link is excellent 

[carol8353]

Well done Carol, I didn't spot that marriage.  

Julie has found the death for Davids wife in Barnstaple reg district in 1937 - There are some marriages that would fit as well there but won't post details on here.  No sign of Davids death there though.


Just because David puts a fathers name on his marriage certificate it does not mean that is his father. It is quite common for illegitimate children to make up their fathers name and occupation.

The Hammond link is excellent 

I agree with Rosie,Julie. David might not have been told who his father was but made him up to look respectable to the new inlaws .

By the way Emily Hammond is only 14 on the 1901 census,so a young witness,but she signed her name-they all did.

Stanmapstone will tell you that they had to be aware of what they were witnessing but other then that there was no age limit.

Carol

[jbj63]

Hi,

It seems to me that they made a lot of things up!!  

I only know some of what I know because we twisted my aunt's arm behind her back!!  (only joking obviously!)

She didn't want to give away the deep dark secrets of the family.  The fact that my grandfather was born out of wedlock brought shame on the family.  It would appear though that none of the children were born 'in wedlock' as Albert and Florence didn't appeared to get married!

The Hammond's living next door is very interesting.

Julie

[jbj63]

Hi

I've been scratching my head over this.  I have so much info going around in my head!

Do you think it is possible that my grandfather Henry Simmons could have been born in the workhouse?  We can't seem to find him anywhere else.

How were workhouse births recorded?  Is there a list of workhouse residents and births available?  Could he have been recorded without a name?  Is that possible?

I have no idea if my gt grandmother was ever in the workhouse, but anything is possible.

Any ideas?

Julie

[rosie99]

Hi Julie

Workhouse births are registered just the same as any other.  My gt grandfather was born in one, his mother also had him christened at the local church.

Rosie 

[jbj63]

What is the significance of having the children christened?  Religious reasons obviously! But I don't believe that my family were any more religious then than they are now.

Was it for some financial reason? Or was there some other reason?

Does anybody know the answer?

Julie

[jbj63]

Hi all

I have finally got the marriage certificate for the marriage between Florence Simmons and Edward Hammond.  Florence lists her father as Henry ARMINGER, so we have been following the right person - thank goodness!

I have also found out that Henry (my grandfather) was born on 16.6.1888 as I have his school registration records and it is quoted on them.  I just wish that I knew what surname was on his birth certificate!  I'm wondering whether he was even called Henry on his birth cert, in which case we will never know for sure what his birth name was.

Any ideas!

jbj63