Help to find Henry Simmons

[carol8353]

As we now know that Florence(Flora)'s dad was called Henry,that will probably account why she called her son Henry,although as yet we have no idea what his birth surname was-maybe they registered it under the fathers surname?

Henry Arminger married Emma Headland at St Pancras Parish Chapel on 27th August 1853.

They were both of full age,he a bachelor and she a spinster,he was a dyer.
His father was Robert Arminger also a dyer and hers Thomas headland decd.

Witnesses Thomas Hughes Headland and Mary something? Headland.

Carol

[jbj63]

Hi All

I have found a Henry Arminger on the 1891 census.  He was born in St. George in the East which ties up with the 1901 census for Florence and Albert James Simmons although his surname on there is Simmons.  He was listed as 2 years old which would also fit the dates I have.

So I believe that he may have been born with his father's surname as has been suggested, but on census records he was Arminger and later Simmons.

What a tangle!

My Great Grandmother didn't believe in making things easy!

Julie

[carol8353]

I wonder if it is Florence Arminger 

1891
RG12/285 f66 p9
Florence Arminger Head Widow age (Could be 32 line drawn through it) bn St Pancras
Minnie Arminger sister in law single bn Old Ford
David Son age 11 bn Hoxton
Henry Son age 2 bn St George in the East
Eleanor age 5 Niece
Bessie age 1 Niece

I don't believe she was married as there is a likely candidate in 1881 with that name who is single
RG11/ 239 f 40 p 21
Florence H.  Arminger age 22 Domestic Servant Cook bn St Pancras


Births December qtr 1858   
Florence Henrietta Arminger    Pancras  1b 131

1891 was found for you yesterday by Rosie 

Carol

[jbj63]

Sorry - my apologies!  I've got so much data going round in my head!

What on earth was Henry's surname?  He would be the most difficult one wouldn't he!

Julie

[rosie99]

Hi Julie

Clutching at straws    Where did you get the information on Henry's army career?

Rosie

[jbj63]

Hi Rosie

My Mum told me her dad served in the WW1 because she saw photos of him in uniform.

He also received a 1914 Star medal engraved with his regiment details etc.

I found confirmation of the medal on Ancestry, but no other records so I am guessing they were destroyed in the bombings in London during WW2.

Every way I turn seems to be a dead end.  I felt sure that with his regiment number etc, I'd be able to find next of kin details, exact date of birth etc.

I spoke to my Mum this morning and asked her if she knew if her dad served in the army before or after the WW1 but she didn't know.  She wasn't born until 1935, and he was a little old to serve in WW2.

My next task after unravelling this mystery is to start on my dad's side of the family.  His house was bombed in 1940 and his mother was killed and he was injured.  The family name was Brown and he tells me he had a brother called John!   I nearly gave up before starting!!  John Brown! - well I'm sure there won't be many of those - such an unusual name!!

Thanks for sticking with this and for your patience.

Julie

[carol8353]

Hi Rosie


My next task after unravelling this mystery is to start on my dad's side of the family.  His house was bombed in 1940 and his mother was killed and he was injured.  The family name was Brown and he tells me he had a brother called John!   I nearly gave up before starting!!  John Brown! - well I'm sure there won't be many of those - such an unusual name!!

Thanks for sticking with this and for your patience.

Julie

There were 189 civilian's with the surname Brown who died on the war in 1940.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0h4q/

What was her name and where did they live?

All is not lost ................yet 

Carol

[jbj63]

Hi Rosie


My next task after unravelling this mystery is to start on my dad's side of the family.  His house was bombed in 1940 and his mother was killed and he was injured.  The family name was Brown and he tells me he had a brother called John!   I nearly gave up before starting!!  John Brown! - well I'm sure there won't be many of those - such an unusual name!!

Thanks for sticking with this and for your patience.

Julie

There were 189 civilian's with the surname Brown who died on the war in 1940.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0h4q/

What was her name and where did they live?

All is not lost ................yet 

Carol

Her name was Sarah Ann Brown (nee Cooper).  I don't know exactly where they lived but it was around Twickenham, Middlesex.  Her death was registered at Brentford, Middlesex in December quarter 1940.

My dad said that both his parents died in the house, but there is no records of his dad dying at the same time.  I believe he was serving in WW2 at the time and died in action.  My dad said his dad was called Bert William Arthur, but having checked I think he was Bertie Robert Brown as I found a record of him marrying Sarah in 1923.  I found a birth record for Bertie Robert Brown, but I think later he just called himself Bert.

My dad had a sister Violet Cooper born in 1922.  I have spoken to her daughter and she hasn't any further info about that side of the family as her mother rarely spoke of it.  She did, however say that she lived with her nan and that she had a brother John.  My dad confirmed that he had a brother and that he was in the army and travelled overseas and he thinks he married a Dutch girl.  Unfortunately they lost touch.  I have no idea if he is still alive.  He would have been older than my dad who was born in 1928.

My dad's name is Alfred Henry Brown D.O.B. 15.3.1928.

Sorry if it is a bit muddly.  My dad's recollection of that time is hazy.  He was only 12 when his mum died and I don't think he really wants to remember it.

Thanks for your interest.  This could be a nightmare!

Julie

[jbj63]

Carol

Thanks for the link.  I found my grandmother on there!  I now have her date of death.

Julie