Help to find Henry Simmons

[carol8353]

Julie,

Glad you've found your gran 

Using http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ you should be able to put in Brown as the surname and Cooper as the mothers maiden name and check any births,including your dad.

Rootschat don't allow us to type out any name of those who might still be living.But it's easy enough to search for yourself 

Carol

[jbj63]

Julie,

Glad you've found your gran 

Using http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ you should be able to put in Brown as the surname and Cooper as the mothers maiden name and check any births,including your dad.

Rootschat don't allow us to type out any name of those who might still be living.But it's easy enough to search for yourself 

Carol

Thanks Carol

I have some leads to follow up.  I'm wondereing if his brothers name is something different.  It is just a hunch, but my dad is not known by his birth name and nobody in the family other than immediate family knows his real name.  The name he is known as is completely different and bears no relation to his birth name.

Maybe his brother is the same?

I'll let you know if I find out anything.

Julie

[jbj63]

Going back to my grandfather Henry Simmons.  I have some of his army records and can now confirm that his dob is 16/6/1889.

On his sign up forms his address ties up with the address on the 1901 census.

He quotes his next of kin as:

Father:  James
Mother: Florence
Older Brother:  James
Younger Brother:  Albert
Younger Brother:  William

His father's name was Albert James so that makes sense.  However, I don't know where a brother called James comes in.  I knew of a brother called William as my aunt remembers her uncle Bill!  We knew nothing about Albert or his younger brother George who died as an infant.

My aunt told me about her uncle Thomas Owen who was the father of her cousin Maud Owen.  My mum seems to have the name David Owen.  We seem to have tied up the David Owen Arminger theory so who is James?

On the form he states that William and Albert were living with their parents and James was in Stepney.

Do you think this is yet another brother?

Any ideas on this one?

Julie

[carol8353]

In short- Yep,he sure sounds like another brother 

What date was this when he said James was in Stepney,can we find him on a census........wonder what HIS surname was !

Carol

[jbj63]

In short- Yep,he sure sounds like another brother 

What date was this when he said James was in Stepney,can we find him on a census........wonder what HIS surname was !

Carol

Carol

The date was September 1906.

It's anybodies guess what his surname was.  Probably whatever he wanted it to be on any particular day!

Julie

[carol8353]

Carol

The date was September 1906.

It's anybodies guess what his surname was.  Probably whatever he wanted it to be on any particular day!

Julie

Oh da*n that couldn't be a worse date,it's half way between 1901 and 1911,plenty of time for him to have moved a dozen times between censues.

Just going to look at the 1881 census where Rosie found David with his grandparents to se if there's any clues there.
I notice that he doesn't mention David in his service record,maaybe he didn't know about him till later in life 

Carol

[jbj63]

Well......As the only person who has any recollection of those days remembers Thomas Owen and not David Owen - he could have been called James as a nickname!!

rosie has found the 1911 census for David Owen and his wife and family so I think it must be David.

Julie

[rosie99]

Carol,
I think this is Davids marriage
Marriages Mar 1901 
HIDDEN  Arthur    Mile End  1c 430   
Morgan  Florence Elizabeth     Mile End  1c 430   
Owen  David     Mile End  1c 430   
SMITH  Alice Mary M     Mile End  1c 430

On the 1901 which I am trying to find again he is married and bn St Gge in East.
On the 1911 index I think I have found the same people with a possible 5 year old  daughter called Florence Henrietta Owen.
They are in Mile End Old Town district.  -- Playing with the index Florence H is bn Stepney.

[carol8353]

Good spot again Rosie,very likely to name his first daughter after his mum I would think.

That's true about him being nicknamed James.My son has a friend called James whom they nickname Fred 

His marr cert is included in the London marriages 1754-21 and he down as David Owin.With a dad of the same name 

Carol