Agnes McArthur - Invercargill 1860's

[spades]

Hi Karen,

I was reading your topic and thought you might like Agnes and Richard's Intention to Marry Notice:

Intention to Marry Notice. Archives NZ Ref: BDM 20/8 1863 Invercargill p.428/147.
Dated 21 December: Richard RICHMOND, bachelor, a Sawyer aged 26 years living at North Road, Invercargill, length of residence 2 years, intends to marry Agnes MCARTHUR, spinster, a Servant aged 20 years living at North Road, Invercargill, length of residence 10 months, at the English Church, Invercargill. Minister: W.P. FARMER.

Spades

[karrienz]

Dear Spades - how kind of you to post that info for me - I don't know when I was going to get around to making enquiries about the other possible church records - pobably later this year - and wasn't sure where to begin looking - you've helped enormously - the dates of residence gives me so much to go on with searching passenger lists etc (I've spent a lot of time on that search online too)  Thank you again for your help.  If you could keep this topic 'open' for awhile longer would be great too.

I also want to say thank you on this topic to Alex G who kindly sent photographs and other wonderful information from the Southland archives about the Richmond family he researched for me back in November 2011.  Since that time, apart from Christmas and New Year, I had a house to find and a job to find and 3 months later we are nearly there.  I've moved out of the ruined eastern suburbs of town and almost sorted a full time job.  I hope to get back into the family history files again very soon.

[karrienz]

Dear Spades

I know this topic has been completed, and for some time now, but I'm wondering if you can advise me.  I am currently looking at another marriage for a member of the same family and when I was on the Archives NZ site researching about "Intention to Marry Notices" and where to locate them, the information states:

 - place of residence at time of notice and length of residence in registration district -

http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides/personal-identity

as one of the bullet points.  What I am wondering is, for the Intention to Marry Notice details you gave me for Agnes and Richard Richmond in 1873 where her residence is 10 months and his is 2 years, should I be looking at just the time they were in Invercargill or the length of time they were in NZ?  If it's the former (district only) then I will broaden my search for Agnes arrival in NZ from Mar 1/4 1863 which is what I've been concentrating on.  Any comments much appreciated.

regards
Karrienz

[spades]

Hi Karrienz,

Certainly

'Length of residence' commonly meant how long an individual had been at the address provided, in the case of both Richard and Agnes, North Road, Invercargill (or just Invercargill).

They could certainly have arrived years earlier, and not necessarily at Bluff either. You should certainly consider Port Chalmers.

Don't hesitate to ask if you have more questions.

Spades

Addendum: I will move your topic back to the New Zealand Board in the hope that others might be able to help advance your search.

[spades]

Hi again,

I can't see a New Zealand birth for Agnes, however there is no wildcard search function so this must remain a possibility.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/

She doesn't seem to have arrived in NZ on any vessels that travelled via Australian ports.

Nor could I see any obvious choices on FamilySearch's Immigration to NZ lists, but don't take my word for it. 
https://familysearch.org/search

I know your search is focused on Agnes MCARTHUR, but have you seen the articles on Papers Past relating to William Richard RICHMOND, drunk and disorderly in 1889 and sentenced in 1891 to two years imprisonment for theft?
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/

[spades]

Hmmm, I don't know if you have Agnes' 1873 death certificate but it's unlikely to help a great deal as parents weren't listed until 1876.

See A Guide to Information contained in NZ BDM certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259108.0

Have you tried local family history societies and museums?

Spades

[karrienz]

  Thanks Spades - much appreciated.  I really am a goose as I thought the residence part meant length of time being in NZ! I will broaden my search more...although I haven't restricted the search to just 1863 for Agnes.  Richard Richmond may have come further down south from the Otago goldfields there's a few mentions of the names on paperspast.  I suspect he may have come over from Victoria in 1858 or 59.

The paperspast references to William Richard Richmond are for their son...unfortunate chappy.  I have searched famsearch.org shipping...I have had some research done on my behalf at Southland museum but no results.  I hadn't been looking at this family for awhile and just gotten back to it recently. Also lately was contacted by a 'cousin' in the family and she and I have been swapping titbits about  Agnes and Richard's children...which is nice to finally have a research buddy to 'brainstorm' with. 

regards karrienz