Emily MATTHEWS birth?

[judb]

You may remember this from my reply#67

However - FamilySearch has this birth/baptism
Caroline ANSON   
Birth:    29 JUN 1840     
Christening:    13 SEP 1857     St George, Hyde, Cheshire, England
Parents: 
Mother:    Clara Anson (no father listed)
This baptism would fit with her being baptised not long before leaving UK.

In 1851 the family is at Hoviley? Lane, Hyde, Cheshire. 

So Hyde is not Hyde Park but Hyde in Cheshire - your transcription agent my be interested to know 

Was the Matthews on the birth cert the actual registrar, or the informant?  Were they living at Braidwood or Araluen?

Judith

[mum mum]

Hi
The place of birth is Little River, informant Charles H Rich, Gold Fields Chaplain. It looks like the registrar is Henry Matthews.
Yes I believe the birth was Cheshire, Hyde Park is in London isn't it?
Why can't I find her birth or Aaron's, they are both after civil registration.
mum mum

[majm]

This could be another of my "JM red herrings" .... but

NSW Govt Gazette part 1, page 1428 Unclaimed letters at GPO,Sydney as at 15 June 1859    Mrs C VENESS, Maitland


Cheers,  JM

[mum mum]

Hi
There was another Veness family in NSW, Clara Veness died 1890 at Granville, from a family tree, she was not connected to ours, her grandfather was Engliish.
Back to our family,

Samuel Leizar died 1893, at Liverpool.
Clara Seizer died 1868 at Braidwood, registered Brewarrina. no 3447, 60 years old, no parents listed. Not worth getting that certificate I would think, except to find out where she is buried.
mum mum

[judb]

Re the births of Aaron and Caroline ANSON - the 1851 census entries give ages for them that would put their births earlier than civil registration.  The baptism record from FamilySearch gives a date in 1840 for Caroline's birth but the actual baptism was in 1857, and with this family one can't rely on information being exact   

A baptism certificate was often used as ID before civil registration which may be why Caroline was baptised as a teenager.

I cannot see a baptism for Aaron.    Nor for Clara/Sarah for that matter - however we don't know if she was married or not so was ANSON a married name or her birth name.

There is an inquest for Aaron ANSON dated 19 December 1867, held at Araluen - death caused by accidental injury.

Judith

[~MERLIN~]

FamilySearch has this birth/baptism
Caroline ANSON   
Birth:    29 JUN 1840     
Christening:    13 SEP 1857     St George, Hyde, Cheshire, England
Mother:    Clara Anson (no father listed)
This baptism would fit with her being baptised not long before leaving UK.
This looks like them in 1851 at Hoviley? Lane, Hyde, Cheshire.  Obviously the mother's name is not the same.
Sarah Anson   36 Head, Unmarried, Cotton card room hand (frame tester), b Ingham Derbyshire
Aaron Anson   17 Son, Cotton roller curryer card room, b Ingham Derbyshire
Caroline Anson   15 dau, Cotton card room hand, b Newton Cheshire
Joseph Turner   30 lodger
1841 at Johns St, Newton Cheshire
John Anson   65, stonemason
William Anson   25, labourer
Aaron Anson   7
Sarah Anson   30, cotton card room
Charlotte Anson   20, cotton weaver
Caroline Anson   4
Such a pity the 1841 does not show relationships 
Seems as though Sarah may have changed to Clara somewhere along the way!

Mother Clara was baptised the same day as her daughter Caroline

Clara ANSON
Baptism: 13 Sep 1857
Place: St George, Hyde, Cheshire, England
Birth Date: 05 Nov 1817
Father's Name: John Anson - this would be her father John age 65yrs on the 1841 census
Mother's Name: Catherine

[mum mum]

Hi
So that looks like the end of the road with that line then if Aaron and Caroline's father/fathers are unknown. Clara would have altered her age and called herself a widow I guess in order to gain free passage, I believe younger people were prefferred. I will pass that information on.
mum mum

[mum mum]

Hi
Just in time for the weekend.
I got two death certificates, John Varness died 1872, father Peter who was a sea captain, John arrived 13 years before his death, so around 1859-60. Place of birth Dover England, thats different to Annies birth cert.

Richard Rowe who died in Carcoar was the third husband of Caroline Anson, so she is a widow again.
Can anyone tell me anything about Caroline Roe who died at Bathurst in 1897, reg no 10995.
mum mum

[judb]

I have got quite attached to this family 

ACT Genealogy Society has some good records for Braidwood etc so will go over and have a bit of a look next week.

What age was given on John Varness/Vernes/Fernes death cert, please and does it match the age given on Annie's bc?  With all the different spellings of his surname I think he won't be easy to find.  And it looks as though he missed Civil Registration in UK - how inconsiderate   

Judith