Emily MATTHEWS birth?

[majm]

My fingers are crossed that the 1889 mc has been reconciled to ALL the Church registers ... sometimes 5 were needed to get all the info.. I will get cracking on looking for VERNES and variations tomorrow in expectation that NSWBDM did reconcile that mc and there will not be any further hurdles to tackle, but it will definitely give the Denomination and place , and witnesses so it can be followed up.

Cheers JM

[majm]

Any of the NSWBDM marriages 1856 to 1895 fall into the 'grey area' as Church v State issues re access was a political hot potato topic.   Until 1880 none of those mcs were registered at NSWBDM.... to 1895 only summary info was forwarded.  In 1912 NSWBDM commenced to reconcile their summaries with the Church registers   and then WWI resulted in their experiened clerks enlisting.  The reconcilation process has not ever been completed by NSWBDM but most of the Church registers are findable thus I see only hurdles and NO brickwalls once there is the mc.

Perhaps you could pre-alert the family.

Cheers JM

[majm]

Grevilles 1875 Directory
CARCOAR
George ROWLANDS, sen., sheep inspector
George ROWLANDS, jun., farmer
Henry ROWLANDS, farmer

NSW ER 1878 CARCOAR
John ROWE, residence Blayney
Richard ROWE, residence Gally Swamp
Alfred Wm ROWE, residence Blayney
David ROWLAND, residence Brown’s Creek
Evan ROWLANDS, residence Brown’s Creek
George ROWLANDS, senior, freehold, Rockville
George ROWLANDS, junior, freehold, Rockville
Henry ROWLANDS, residence Rockville

NSW ER 1878 BRAIDWOOD
There are three listed with surnames commencing with “V” .... VARNUM,  VIDER, VOLLER.
John ROWE, residence Little River

NSW ER 1870 BRAIDWOOD
There are five listed with surnames commencing with “V” VIDER, 3 x VINCENT, VYNER
Henry ROW, residence Little River
William ROWE, household, Newtown, Araluen
Edward ROWE, household, Newtown, Araluen
John ROWE, household, Newtown, Araluen
John ROWE, household Little River
John ROWE, residence Jembaicumbene
John ROWE, residence, Jembaicumbene (JM notes ...yes, this may and may not be a duplication, it is listed twice)
William ROWE, residence Upper Araluen

NSW ER 1870 CARCOAR
There are two surnames commencing with “V” ... VANE, VIPER
John ROWE, residence, Blayney
George ROWLANDS senior, freehold Rockville
George ROWLANDS junior, freehold Rockville
Henry ROWLANDS, residence, Rockville
John ROWLANDS, residence, Clifden

NSW ER 1903  MACQUARIE

Polling at Carcoar
Elizabeth ROWLANDS, of Neville, dd

Polling at Blayney
John ROWE, of Blayney West, miner
William ROWE, of Blayney West, miner
Sophia ROWLANDS, of near Blayney, dd

Polling at Brown’s Creek  (only 95 enrolled for this location)
Fanny STOKES, of Brown’s Creek, dd

Polling at Burnt Yards
William STOKES, of Burnt Yards, miner

And as an aside, of no apparent link to anyone mentioned in this thread,
NSW ER 1903, MACQUARIE,
Polling at King’s Plains,
Percival Lionel Harold Basil ST. JEAN –WALTHO-ANSTRUTHER, of King’s Plains, miner (I typed this up simply because of the unusual length for the name of this chap, the printer reduced the typeface to fit it all in.  It is listed between STEVENSON and STONESTREET, so the surname would commence at ST JEAN.  Two typefaces used, so I presume the given names commence with Percival)

Alas, not yet found any VERNES or variations, perhaps I am not yet looking in the ‘right’ location, but there is that NSW BDM birth in 1862 for Alfred VERNES, son of John and Caroline, and registered at Braidwood to support the 1863 one for Annie E.... so I was hoping to find Alfred somewhere ! 

Cheers,  JM

[mum mum]

Hi
Unfortunately Alfred Vernes died in 1862, the year of his birth so we cannot follow him up.

I just got the transcription on Annie E Vernes birth and it seems that the name is Vernes, I filled my agent in on the different spellings so far and he has come back with Vernes on this one.
Annies father is John Vernes 28 years old in 1863, so born 1835ish, in Holland, looks to me like he is the crewmember, John Vernas on the Dirige in 1860.

Carolines marriage to Richard Rowe was a waste of money, it gives no details on either of them. They were married on the 11-8-1889 in The Church of England Carcoar by the Rev Richard F Read. Any ideas on how to find the parish record. Hoping to find parents names for both of them to help find Carolines death.
mum mum

[majm]

Oh mum mum,

Yet another "not yet reconciled" NSW BDM mc. 

The C of E at Carcoar is most likely part of Blayney (or vice versa).   Here is a link to the Diocese of Bathurst's contacts page

http://www.bathurstanglican.org.au/ContactUs.html 

Here's links to the family history groups at Bathurst, and Cowra

http://bathurstfhg.asn.au/         http://cfhg.webs.com/

Fingers crossed  (I do so wish RChat had a smiley thingy for "JM stamping her foot because of another NSW BDM hurdle" ) 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

mum mum,

Would the witnesses to the 1889 Carcoar marriage be worthwhile following?

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Did the birth cert for Annie give a parent marriage, mother's place of birth and occupation for the father?  Also wondering what where they were living at the time of the birth and who was present at the birth. 

Judith

[mum mum]

Hi
Sorry, I couldn't get back on line to answer last night, my mobile internet modem only seems to be working during the daytime.
Carolines age is 22 and place of birth Hyde [Park[ England, the place of birth is partially obscured by the binding and is assumed to be Hyde Park.
Date of marriage is Feb 1861 at Braidwood, that fits the Anson-Fernes marriage.
Registered Henry Matthews 14 April 1863 Braidwood. Theres that Matthews name again, I wonder if he was any connection.
mum mum

[majm]

I think the place of birth for Caroline could be HYDE as in Cheshire, England.

See the baptisms that Judith posted 

Adding, also this link
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
Cheers,  JM