Emily MATTHEWS birth?

[mum mum]

I love it when a plan comes together.

Annie E Varness married William Stokes 1879 at Carcoa, reg 2788.

Goes with the birth Judith found, Annie E  'Verness' to John and Caroline 1863 at Braidwood, reg 5860.
mum mum

Agnes born 1880 at Carcoa reg 12216.

[mum mum]

Just an update and then I will call this completed, we may start a new post to find more about Edward Matthews.
Heres the details of the events I found last night, armed with that extra information from the transcripts.

Annie E Vernes, born 1863 at Braidwood NSW Reg no 5860 mother Caroline, father John

Albert A Vernes born 1862 at Braidwood Reg no 5808, Annies brother.

John Varness died 1872 at Bathurst Reg 3085.

Catherine [Caroline ] Vernass marries David Rowland 1872 at Bathurst Reg 1619.

Annie E Varness marries William Stokes at Carcoar in 1879 Reg no 2788
 
Agnes Stokes born at Cowra in 1880 Reg no 12216
 
I am sure I had found a death for  David Rowland but at the moment I can’t find it again.

Caroline Rowlands marries Richard Rowe at Carcoa in 1889. There is a death for a Richard Rowe at Carcoa in 1893, could be him.

mum mum

[judb]

Mum Mum, this has been a great search.  So pleased that the detective work and the transcripts paid off.

I notice this death - perhaps it's David ROWLAND 

1885 #8234, registered at Carcoar
David T ROLAND
Father's Name:   Thomas
Mother's name:   Nancy

Aha - it is 
Australian Cemetery Index shows:
David Thomas ROLAND aged 54
d 10.11.1885
Parents Thomas, Nancy
M: Caroline VENESS
Died: Frenchmans Reef
Buried: Carcoar C of E

Judith

[mum mum]

Thanks Judith
That looks like him, it's been amazing how all of the surnames that have been mentioned along the way as being Annies maiden name are popping up now. I have just found that Caroline Vernes was Caroline Anson.
John Fernes married Caroline Anson at Braidwood in 1861, reg 1457. Only two children, Annie and Alfred who died 1862.

its making me wonder what the hell Vernes, Fernes etc really was. I found a crew member on  the 'Dirige' in 1860, John Vernas from Rotherdam born abt 1833, I think that may be him.
mum mum

[judb]

Baby Alfred is buried at Braidwood Cemetery - no headstone
Alfred VERNESS, buried 1862, parents: John Verness, Caroline
Location of grave   ?   unmarked
http://www.australiancemeteries.com/nsw/palerang/braidwood_gen.htm

This may be Caroline's arrival - 9 May 1858 on the Northern Light to Sydney
Reel 2138, [4/4795]; Reel 2477, [4/4976]   
ANSON   Aaron   21   farm labourer, b Cheshire, C of E, can read and write   
ANSON   Caroline   18   general house servant, b Cheshire,      
ANSON   Clara   41    housekeeper, b Derbyshire, C of E, can read and write

The family is also mentioned on the CSReLAND files. William Henry ANSON may not be the same family as the date is so much earlier.
2/7790   1083   ANSON   Aaron   1852   1852       
2/7790   1083   ANSON   Flora         1853   1853       
2/7790   1083   ANSON   William Henry   1840   1840

Aaron ANSON holds licences for a number of inns in the Majors Creek Araluen and Mongarlowe areas (all near Braidwood)
(These are all from http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx )

Further work is needed to unravel these ANSONS!  Perhaps a new thread for them as well if you want to go further with Caroline.

However - FamilySearch has this birth/baptism
Caroline ANSON   
Birth:    29 JUN 1840     
Christening:    13 SEP 1857     St George, Hyde, Cheshire, England
Parents: 
Mother:    Clara Anson (no father listed)
This baptism would fit with her being baptised not long before leaving UK.

This looks like them in 1851 at Hoviley? Lane, Hyde, Cheshire.  Obviously the mother's name is not the same.
Sarah Anson   36 Head, Unmarried, Cotton card room hand (frame tester), b Ingham Derbyshire
Aaron Anson   17 Son, Cotton roller curryer card room, b Ingham Derbyshire
Caroline Anson   15 dau, Cotton card room hand, b Newton Cheshire
Joseph Turner   30 lodger

1841 at Johns St, Newton Cheshire
John Anson   65, stonemason
William Anson   25, labourer
Aaron Anson   7
Sarah Anson   30, cotton card room
Charlotte Anson   20, cotton weaver
Caroline Anson   4

Such a pity the 1841 does not show relationships 

Seems as though Sarah may have changed to Clara somewhere along the way!

Judith




   

[judb]

Re Aaron ANSON - NSW BMDs show there were two Aaron ANSONs in Braidwood. 
This is Caroline's brother:
Deaths:
1867, #4517   
Aaron ANSON, parents John, Clara   
TROVE has an advertisement re administration of his estate to his mother Clara LIEZER
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13156703

NSW BMD Marriage
1858 # 1506 Clara ANSON m Samuel  LEIZER   

The other one's death
1882 #6530
Aaron ANSON, parents John Caroline
TROVE has mentions of this person in Braidwood as early as 1855.   

Arrival of older Aaron ANSON, 31, stonemason - 11 March 1841 on the Brothers; born Belper Derbyshire, son of John ANSON stonemason,
Aaron's wife Elizabeth ANSON, 34, house servant, parents deceased, born Bolton Lancs.  They have one child -Wright ANSON.

Judith

[mum mum]

Hi Judith

I found that arrival last night and the census records for Sarah/Clara, I saw the marriage and went to go back and check the Sarah/Clara and my internet was on a go slow, went to bed in digust.
I can understand Sarah being Clara on the ship, easy enough to mistake a spoken word. I wonder if the marriage is another transcription error.
We  will get Caroline Anson's marriage next week and see what that comes up with, do you think the 1861 marriage will be complete or would it be safer to get one of her later marriages to get parents names?
mum mum

[judb]

I think Sarah changed her name to Clara.  She is Sarah on the 1841 and 51 censuses but from Caroline's baptism (1857) onward she is Clara in all records from very different sources - immigration, death of Aaron, her own marriage etc.  I cannot see a death for her though. 

As to which cert to order -    - I'm not very au fait with NSW certs so don't know.

Judith

[mum mum]

Hello again

I have ordered the birth of Annie E Vernes 1863, and the marriage of Caroline Rowlands to Richard Rowe in 1889. Hoping that we may get a clearer idea of what the name 'Vernes' actually was. I also hope we will get the names of Richard Rowe's parents to make it easier to find his death and perhaps Carolines. Hoping also for Carolines fathers name and some more about her mother.

mum mum