Emily MATTHEWS birth?

[mum mum]

Wonder if Verne could also be Werne??

[judb]

What surnames are Gyde Elizabeth and Phebey Elizabeth, please?  I can't see them on NSW BMDS.

[mum mum]

Sorry, the surnames are Gyde and Phebey, thats how they are on the index.
mum mum

[mum mum]

Count Elizabeth Phepey out, she married twice, then died in Qld in 1915.
mum mum

[judb]

Doh............................. How dumb am I! 

And count out Elizabeth GYDE - she married in 1900 to Joseph WHITING, died 1957 in Auburn.

Just these mysterious VERNES.  I cannot see any entries anywhere much for that surname and certainly none that fit Annie Elizabeth born in Braidwood or her family.  Cannot see anything for VERNESS either except for little Alfred's death. 

Going back to the ANSON connection that JM found listed on an ER in Braidwood - from TROVE there appear to be 2 Aaron ANSONs in Braidwood at around that time.  Araluen, which JM also mentioned with some MATTHEWs living there, is close to Braidwood which would be the town where BMD registrations for Araluen would be recorded.  I think too many people in genealogy assume that the place of registration of a BMD is the place where the event actually occurred when it is only where the registration happened.  Araluen was quite a gold mining area at the time so that many of the population would moved on as the gold ran out.

It will be very interesting to see the detials on the death cert.  This lady had such a chequered life that perhaps it wouldn't all fit on a certificate 

Judith

[mum mum]

Same as me, I didn't see the funeral notice on the same page I was looking at.

I am going to order tonight, the death cert transcrpt for Elizabeth Ann Stokes died 1945.

I will keep looking today to see if any others may give us a clue so I can order them at the same time. There is the death of the daughter Elizabeth in 1974, I wonder if that could be usefull. It would tell us more about young Elizabeth but what else?

It looks like Elizabeths last two sons may still be alive, born 1915 and 1917, no deaths on Ryerson.

mum mum

[mum mum]

Hi
While waiting for the transcriptions I have still been looking on NSW BDM and found,

Caroline Rowlands married Richard Rowe 1889 at Cowra Reg no 4135.

Could this explain the Rowe/ Rowlands confusion?
A Richard Rowe died in 1893 at Carcoa, cant find another marriage or death for Caroline Rowe, assuming she could be Elizabeth Anne Stoke's mother.

Hurry up with those transcriptions, I think I want another one.

mum mum

[judb]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm   
Interesting - the Australian Death Index gives the place of that marriage (Rowe/Rowlands) as Captain's Flat which is in the same general area as Braidwood/Araluen (47k apart).  Strange that there are the two conflicting places on the two indexes. All of the details, including the reg no are the same otherwise.

Judith

[mum mum]

I'm excited, just got the two transcriptions I ordered.

Anne Elizabeth Stokes died 10-6-1945
85 years
Father unknown Rowlands, farmer.
Mother Caroline 'Varmeos'  [mother's name is unclear Var---? Margin entry: 47743/66]
What does the margin entry mean?

Informant Elizabeth M Egan, daughter
Place of birth Sunny Corner NSW
Place of marriage, Carcoar NSW
Age at marriage 16 years
Spouse William Stokes [widow]
Children of marriage Agnes 60 years, Elizabeth M 50 years iving, none deceased.

Seem to have forgotten about Emily and the boys.
Judith you said they wouldn't be able to fit it all on one certifcate but it's opened up another can of worms hasn't it.

The other certificate is Edward Matthews birth 15-7-1871
Place Icely
Father Charles Matthews, Carter, 21 years, born NSW.
Date of marriage 25-7-1870 at Icely
Mother Helen formerly Hartnett, 23 years born NSW

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article70758047

This article shows that Edward Matthews used the name Hartnett as an alias in 1906.

mum mum