Emily MATTHEWS birth?

[~MERLIN~]

Children registered to Edward & Elizabeth CORE (nee Matthews):

CORE William H b. 1911 COWRA #39417

CORE James A b. 1913 COWRA #32684

CORE Kenneth M b. 1915 COWRA #8684

CORE Arthur H b. 1917 LITHGOW #13058

[majm]

.....1911 COWRA #39417
.....1913 COWRA #32684
.....1915 COWRA #8684
.....1917 LITHGOW #13058

From Ryerson
William SMH 3 Oct 1985,
James, Junee Southern Cross 13 May 1999
Arthur SMH 7 Dec 1967

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there,

Outside the square thinking, late at night,  so I could be way off track.

NSW BDM marriages 1888

Annie ROWE and William H CARE registered at Sydney # 708 (could CARE be CORE ?) 

Cheers,  JM

[Dundee]

Great find Merlin - I was mucking about looking for Arthur MATTHEWS    There is some great information in both Arthur and Edward's records.

Mum Mum, just regarding the written consent for Emily's marriage, this section is pre printed on marriage registration documents. 

The Consent of..........being the ..........of the Bridegroom, was given in writing to the Marriage.
The Consent of..........being the ..........of the Bride, was given in writing to the Marriage.

If both were of age then this section is generally crossed out.  I always thought that "in writing" actually meant that they had to sign the Church Register, but JM might know more about that.  Perhaps the register might be worth a look to see if she did sign?

Elizabeth was also underage when she married in 1911 so that cert would also be worth looking at.  Just as an aside, I wonder why Edward CORE's birth year was changed from 1892 to 1894 on his service record?  The birth was registered in 1892 (indexed as Edmond C. P.)

Is it a 100 year closure on State Ward records?  You might just make it.

So who was the mysterious Mr STOKES? 

Debra 

[majm]

2 AM & Mr JM wakes JM .. e reader wifi ... 'read please'

From memory ... U21 mc Sydney 1915 bride gave letter from her NZ CHCH based mum also signed by Mum's new husband to the Sydney CofE rev giving consent for marrriage.  This is from that new husbands diary.  New husband was also aa Rev and known to Sydney Rev.

 will phone my living rellie to check what the 1910s actual rules were in arounf ten hrs.
The bride was given away by her brother as their father was deceased.  The bro was not yet  21.  And yes that deceasd father was a Rev CofE

Cannot do faces at the wifi but I am rolling my eyes.

Cheers JM

[majm]

Hi

"Good question, check the images available online for Christ Church Cathedral, Nescastle NSW .... look and notice that Rev'ds handwriting usually completes the section re consent"


So after checking several errr many .... I still cannot recognise any pattern to give an informed answer re if the person giving consent was usually present ....

NB the images are linked via RChats NSW Resources Board and are a fantastic resource. 

Now to add the question to my MUST FIND ANSWER list ...

Sorry, alas I cannot say one way or other IF the Bride's mother was at the marriage ceremony for Emily Matthews ...

Cheers  JM

[mum mum]

Hi,
i had a phone call on on the weekend from emily's Grand daughter who was very exicted that she is awaiting the records for Emily and her siblings being placed in carein Victoria around 1905.
Apparently she had written to a lot of institutions before but got no result as she didn't have the correct information about the parents and siblings, so thank you forr finding the correct parents.

When she gets this informtion she hopes to be able to find out more about Emiliy's mother Annie, you may be needed again.

mum mum

[mum mum]

Hi
Edward Charles Matthew seems to have been a bit of a rotter.


http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article70758047

We have a bit more information from Emily's sister Elizabeth's marriage to Edward Core in 1911. Elizabeth's mothers name is given as ANSON.

From Emily's birth certificate we were given mothers place of birth as Braidwood Vic. On Frank and Edwards , birth certificates her place of birth is Braidwood NSW. Her age is consistent, born 1868.
Date and place of parents marriage, [Edward Matthews and Elizabeth Ann Rowwlands ] is given as Dubbo, or Blayney NSW date 1893, 1894, different months depending on which parents gave the info.

Fathers place of birth is consistent, Lewis Ponds NSW, near Bathurst, around 1870.

So I think Elizabeth A Rowlands is possibly the Elizabeth A Rowlands born 1868 at Penrith to Thomas and Lucy. They have William 1870 at Penrith and Thomas 1872 at Bathurst, puts them in the right area for Elizabeth Ann to meet Edward Matthews. The son William dies at Carcoar in 1873.

Any ideas

mum mum

[majm]

Hi,


NSW ER 1870 THE NEPEAN 
Surnamed MATTHEWS
Robert , freehold, at Garswood, Rope’s Creek
Robert, residence, St Mary’s
John, household, Penrith
William Denham, freehold, Penrith
James, household, Gaswood

Cannot see any ROWLANDS or likely on that roll.

NSW ER 1870 BATHURST
William MATTHEWS, residence, George St
Cannot see any ROWLANDS or likely on that roll.


NSW ER 1870 BRAIDWOOD
Cannot see any ROWLANDS or likely there either


1867 New South Wales Alphabetical Directory Country Districts
......  Parramatta, Penrith, Picton, Campbelltown &c.
W D Mathews, Penrith (only one ‘t’)
T Mathews, Penrith (only one ;’t’)
G Matthews, Emu Plains
Henry Matthews (no location specified)
Edward Liscombe ROWLING (is this close enough to ROWLANDS though)

Will look for ANSON

Cheers,  JM