Emily MATTHEWS birth?

[majm]

Perhaps I am way off track

Grevilles 1875 Dir for ORANGE
Edward ROWE, farmer, Cave Creek  (no sighting for Matthews  )

Grevilles 1875 DUBBO
E MATTHEWS, Bank of NSW, Macquarie St


Sands Country Dir 1917
Rev J Parr C of E COWRA
George L Rowe, auctioneer, COWRA
F Rowlands, J.P., President of the Waugoola Shire, COWRA
W A Stokes, stock and station agent, COWRA
(no sightings for Petersen/on or Matthews at Grenfell or Cowra)

Cheers,  JM

   

[~MERLIN~]

Here's the other child that appears on Emily's BC that I missed previously:

MATTHEWS Edward b. 1898 CHILTERN #25306
Father: Edward
Mother: Elizabeth Ann ROLLANDS

And another one born after Emily:

MATTHEWS Frank Gordon b. 1906 WANGARATTA #22908
Father: Edward
Mother: Elizabeth Ann ROWLANDS

[majm]

Hi Mum mum,

Got the birth certificate for Emily Matthews born 1900 at Rutherglen.

Father Edward Charles Matthews, miner 29 yo born Lewis Pond NSW. Married at Dubbo 1893.
Mother Elizabeth Ann Rowlands 32 yo born Braidwood Victoria.

Elizabeth Ann 6 yo, Arthur Ernest 4 yo and Edward Charles 2 3/4

Does it give who registered this please? 

I cannot find the marriage MATTHEWS=ROWLANDS 1893 Dubbo, nor any likely, BUT I do know there are some missing entries on the NSW BDM online index.  I recall a thread on RChat re a missing Salvation Army at Broken Hill register for around that time.  Some rural parishes' registers for that era do not seem to have indexed by NSW BDM, due perhaps in part to the reluctance of the various denominations to comply with the civil requirements in that era.

Cheers,  JM

[mum mum]

Back again,

The informant on the birth is Edward Charles Matthews, father, Great Southern [ I presume the Great Southern mine?]

mum mum

[Dundee]

1903 Electoral Roll
Wangaratta, Victoria

Edward Charles MATTHEWS, labourer
Elizabeth Ann MATTHEWS, home duties

This man doesn't fit with Emily's stated father being a clerk. "Emily was thought to be educated and played the piano", and she wasn't employed when she married which in itself would be unusual in a working class family.

I find myself wondering whether the mother Annie was actually present at the wedding.  If she wasn't, then of course anything goes, but if she was there when she gave permission for Emily to marry then is it likely that the details given are her version of events rather than Emily's?

It also seems as though there was no close family around at the time of Emily's death.  If she had siblings, surely one of them would have stepped in to help the children?

Sorry, not really adding anything here, just thinking aloud 

Debra 

[Dundee]

Would this be worth following up?

Annie STOKES
Died: 15 Mar 1933
Cemetery: Woodstock, NSW
Section:    Anglican
Compiled By:    Cowra Family History Group Inc
More Information Is Available From Cowra Family History Group Inc.

Debra 

[mum mum]

Thinking out loud is permitted, its called brainstorming, thats what rootschatters do so well.

Emily's mother wasn't present at the wedding, her permission was given in writing. That makes me think that Emily cant have been very old when her father died, if Edward Charles was her father.

mum mum

Looking for Annie Stokes death in NSW, the only one in 1933 is at Glebe, parents William and Elizabeth.

Annie Rowlands birth as Elizabeth Ann, there are two possibilities,Elisa Ann Rowland at Avoca 18667, parents William and Elizabeth.
Elizabeth Rowlands at Cambrian H in 1868, parents John and Johannah.

My geography is letting me down here, are either of those near Braidwood Victoria? Is there a Braidwood in Vic?

[~MERLIN~]

I am currently trying to sort through some of my brainstorming notes I have been collecting   

Hopefully I'll be back later & see where we can go from there 

[judb]

It's always worth remembering that the district of registration may not be anywhere near the place of death.  I have seen a death registered at a town in Southern NSW, although the death took place in Sydney; the registration and funeral were in the town hundreds of miles away.  A registration district may be quite large also so the death may occur some distance from the reg town.

Getting the certificate would be really useful 

As far as I know there is no Braidwood in Victoria; it's in NSW between Canberra and the coast.  However, using Google I see a "Braidwood Equestrian Centre" near Healesville, Victoria.

Wondering who Emily was with in Grenfell when she married as her mother apparently wasn't and her father deceased.  Judith

Judith