Robert Molyneux of Simonswood

[andi]

My 4 x Gt Grandfather Robert Sumner was born C1799 in Simonswood according to census returns. A bapt was registered in Jan of the same year at Parochial Chapel of Kirkby, mother was Esther Sumner, abode Simonswood.

This week I have found on archivecat a document which is an 'Order of filiation and maintenance of male bastard child of Robert Molyneaux, husbandsman and Esther Sumner, single woman' I haven't viewed the document yet.

Robert Molyneux appears to have married at least twice and may have had many legitimate children but can anyone help me know if this Robert is the same one i'm looking for? Is he in your tree and can you shed any light on this?

Andi

[Radcliff]

Kirkby Chapel.Walton,
burial
13th of January 1808
Robert Molyneux
aged 42,
abode,Walton Parish, Simonswood

Margaret Molyneux,wife of Robert
abode this  parish  Simonswood township,
13 th of Feb 1798,could this be Ellen Caldwell,

[Radcliff]

on the order you have it states Robert is a husbandman

Kirkby Chapel Walton,
9th of April 1782
Robert Molineux ,husbandman of this chapelry
Margery Harrison ,spinster of the same ,of this chapelry
witness,Mary Rawlins and James Adcock,

Kirkby Chapel,Walton
14th of March 1799,
Robert Molineux,widower husbandman,of Walton,
Ellen Beesley,spinster of Ormskirk,
witness,James Adcock and Henry Glover,

[garstonite]

I will watch this thread with interest - my Mother in law was a Molyneux...gone back to the 1856 birth of John Molyneux in Much Woolton - can`t` find his parents though
anyway.....Your Robert Sumner
born on 12th January 1799
babtised on 27th January 1799 at Parochial Chapel of Kirkby,Walton ,Lancashire
son of Esther Sumner
abode Simonswood
registered 27th Jan 1799 by James Adcock - clerk to the chapel
babtised by R Cort - Minister

allan

[garstonite]

Radcliffe looks like James Adcock was a mate of Robert Molyneux ...he is a witness at both his marriages....and registers Robert Sumners babtism ......or do you think his name is there because he was the Clerk to the Chapel ?? and not actually a witness ....never seen that before....allan

[Radcliff]

Good morning Allan,
this may be an interesting one with a lot of twists and turns,

for instance this child is the daughter of Robert and Ellen

Ellen baptism 1797 burial 1799

now Ellen and Robert were not married then, so are there two Robert and Ellens within the same church
or is someone not telling the truth

again in 1809 there is another Ellen born to Robert and Ellen ,
so I am hoping lots of people are going to come along and add there theories,

[Radcliff]

Spurious very polite word,


James Adcock on his marriage details is clerk of this chapel and Parish,

[garstonite]

Thanks Radcliff...that explains James Adcock....it`s funny isn`t it....because of this thread, I looked at my family tree...done a little research...AND FOUND ANOTHER child of John Molyneux and his wife Sarah....Mary Elizabeth Molyneux....so - one more name added to tree.......thanks Andi , ...for the little nudge ...haven`t done Molyneux research for about a year...now to find John Molyneuxs parents....have him in 1881 census - born Woolton 1856, but can`t find his babtism ......
allan

[Radcliff]

in the Parochial  chapel of Kirkby Walton,

1791 to 1812 ,baptisms,

Robert and Ellen predominant,Simonswood,
Robert and Margaret,2 daughters abode Simonswood


his first marriage was  to Margery/Margaret ,
Ellen Molyneux,
St Swithen,Gilmoss,Liverpool,
father Robert,mother Margery
born 10 th of December,baptism 17th of December 1786,