NOBILEAU in Dublin City - late 18th century

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi all,

I'm interested in finding out about the name NOBILEAU in Dublin City in the late 18th century. 

I can't find any mention in the on-line 19th century directories or later (census or electoral roll).  Would this be because they changed their name, or does anyone know if they left to go elsewhere?

Google searches show mid-18th century mentions of a Sheriff of Dublin (Charles Nobileau) who seems to have had Hugenot connections, but I haven't yet been able to find details or any genealogical information about him. Can anyone point me towards any good sources?

I'm trying to find out if he married or whether he had siblings of the same name who also lived in Dublin and may have had families there.

[shanew147]

just two mentions of the surname Wilson's Dublin Directory (Treble Almanac) 1783, none that I can find in later years :

  Daniel Nobileau, Carpenter & Builder, 36 Bride Street
  Henry Nobileau, Hotier, 1 Essex Quay 
  [the t is unclear]

Daniel is also listed in The Dictionary of Irish Architects

I see Charles Nobileau as one of the Sheriff's in Dublin city in 1756
when John Forbes was mayor.

There's a baptism for a Charles on IrishGenealogy in 1737 as Nobelleau - might be a little late for the one that became Sheriff...

Could the surname have maybe shortened to Noble over time ?


Shane

[hanes teulu]

Wilson's Directory Dublin 1780

Feltmakers
Master - Joseph Maddock. Wardens - Charles Nobileau, 1 Essex Quay; Henry Halpin, 13 E. Arran ?. Clerk - Isaac Whitacre, Arran Quay.

regards

[DudleyWinchurch]

Thanks Shane and Hanes Teulu for very useful extra information.

I wondered if it was eventually anglicised to Noble but there do seem to have been other Nobles already in Dublin at that time.

I hadn't spotted the Nobelleau variants (though I do have a heap more that I am getting more and more convinced are the same name).  there was certainly more than one Charles as I have now found two different burials.  There are a Charles, a Robert and a Daniel all baptised to a Henry and Mary, at St John's.  No ages given for these early burials but a Mary was buried in 1742, two years after Daniel was born and a Henry in 1758 and a Robert a year later, all at St John's, CoI.  Can't find any marriages (not for Henry and Mary or for any of their children) - did Huguenots follow a different practice?

I'm interested in a Mary who seems to have been married and having children by 1789 so could possibly be a daughter of that Henry and Mary or even the next generation, but again no luck finding any marriage.

The addresses at Essex Street and Bride Street are also interesting.  Would 1 Essex Street have been a privately owned house as that address comes up in my family but over a hundred years later?  For sure, that must be just co-incidence after all that time.

thanks again for the help and as this is the first time I've come across the possibility of a Huguenot connection, I'm interested in any specialist sources for that aspect too.

[Quaxer]

DW
There are many references to Charles  N. in Vols9&10 of The Calendar of Ancient Records of the City of Dublin.  There is one reference to Henry 
(feltmaker) Vol.9 at Page 452.There may be slightly earlier references but I have not reached that far yet.
Have you checked Vols 6 and 14 of the Huguenot Society  of London for the Dublin Huguenot Parish Registers you are interested in?These registers in the French Languageand contain1baptisms , marriages and burials.
No.1 Essex Street was occupied by the Clarence Hotel in the 1860s

Quaxer

[shanew147]

the earlier listings are for Essex Quay - Essex Street (west and east) runs parallel, and is just south of this.



Shane

[DudleyWinchurch]

Thanks Quaxer for additional information and yes Shane, I need to check all the details but am still a long way yet from making the connections here.

I have a Mary Nobleau (and many variants) married to a William McLoughlin, who seems to be a direct ancestor, having children in the 1780s, 1790s and 1800s, but no family of the same name in Dublin at the time.  As the name looked French I took a long shot and checked the Huguenot lists and found Charles Nobileau thirty years earlier.  I now need to do much more research.

I've found a number of documents through the internet mentioning this name in connection with the Huguenots but most seem to be on JSTOR for which I don't have a current subscription.  I'm just checking at present whether anyone else in my family does.

I can't find a Mary in any of the families on irishgenealogy, and even then it's a big stretch from belonging to a Huguenot family to marrying into a catholic family, so may be totally up the wrong tree, but it gives me a possible direction to check out for further information at a point where the BMD references become very sparse and lacking in detail.

As I see that the Huguenots had their own cemeteries, was it usual for them to be married and have their children baptised in CoI churches?

[Quaxer]

DW

The Hs. had 4 places of worship in Dublin by the 1700s, one of which  was in one of the side chapels of St. Patrick;s Cathedral.
The main difference in the services with the C of I was that the services were read in the French Language. The last Dublin congregation merged with the C of I in the 1830s.
You should examine the parish registers as mentioned before for patterns.

Quaxer

[DudleyWinchurch]

Thanks again Quaxer, for the directions.  I can see that I have lots of reading to do and probably need to start getting into ebooks at this stage.