Heatley CAMPBELL - Liverpool

[lisboy]

Heatley CAMPBELL, Jan.20.1849 Liverpool:
"On Saturday an inquest was held by the borough coroner on Robert Owens who died the previous day with injuries received in a fight with a young man Heatley Campbell who is in custody on a jury verdict of manslaughter."
[so.: the Jan.20.1849 Deaths & Inquests of the Liverpool Journal;
www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/deathsandinquests1849].

Does anybody have a Heatley Campbell in their lineage?  He could be related to my William Heatley Campbell b. 1849 Everton, Lancashire - d. Dec.14.1885 Cape Town, South Africa. 

[mosiefish]

Hi,

Who were the parents of your William?

Heatley Campbell married Ann Downey at St. Anthony’s RC Church, Liverpool on 4th July, 1847
His parents were Michael and Catherin Campbell.  Her parents were James and Ann Downey.

On the 1851 census he was a Cooper aged 24 born Ireland. 

Mo

[lisboy]

Thanks so much Mo!
I'm trying to find the parents of William Heatley Campbell.  It is unconfirmed that Heatley Campbell is the father of William Heatlie/Heatley Campbell but I believe he is, based on what you have found & my file notes and sources:
"William Heatlie Campbell b. 1849 Everton [near Liverpool] Lancashire, England, died age 36 on Dec.14.1885 in Cape Town, South Africa.  Spouse: Elizabeth Isabella McVicar; issue: William Colin Campbell, Horace Percy Campbell, & Isabella Emily Maria Campbell all minors [so.: DN2067/1885; www.southafricansettlers.com]."
This gives me the same POB location: Everton/Liverpool; the same forename: Heatlie/Heatley; the same surname: Campbell.  Especially given the forename 'Heatley' is quite rare, this is strong circumstantial evidence wouldn't you agree?
Is William [Heatley] Campbell listed in the 1851 Census? he would be about 2  yrs. old.
Are you related to Heatley Campbell's or Ann Downey's lineage?
Do you have any more census info on either line? Or street addresses, town/village etc.? 
Again, many thanks!
Gord

   

[mosiefish]

Hi,

No I not related, just trying to help.  At the moment I cannot find a birth for your William Heatlie Campbell in Lancashire.

This is the 1851 census for Heatley Campbell:

Bond Street, Liverpool

Heatly Campbell, Head, Married, 24, Cooper, born Ireland
Ann, Wife, Married, 21, Ireland
Michael, Son, 2, Liverpool
Catherine, Daughter, 10 months, Liverpool
Ann Downey, Widow, 40, Char Woman, Ireland

So no son William.  I was wondering if William was perhaps a nephew?  I just can`t pinpoint him in any census.

Mo

[Gibel]

Like Mo I can find no evidence of a William Heatley Campbell born in or around 1849 in Liverpool. What evidence do you have to suport this birth date? Did he marry? If so is not his father's name on the certificate of marriage?

Gibel

[lisboy]

Gibel,
Thank you for your efforts.  William Heatley Campbell married Elizabeth Isabella McVICAR in South Africa likely between 1872 and 1879.  I have no record of their marriage and don't know who his parents are. 
If the southafricansettlers.com entry is correct, he was born in Everton circa 1849.  Other data in his southafricansettlers.com entry is correct, including his wife's full name and their children's names.   I have been unable to confirm his DOD at age 36 on Dec.14.1885 in Cape Town.
It is also recorded on ancestry24.com, however I am not a member of that website.  Could anyone please do a quick lookup on ancestry24.com to confirm the reference that William Heatlie/Heatley CAMPBELL was born in the Everton / Liverpool area circa 1849?
Thank you 

[ShaunJ]

Capetown Archives has a couple of records:

1860-63  Campbell William Heatley -  Insolvent liquidation and distribution account 
1885   Campbell William Hearlie - death notice                                             


http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs.htm

[ShaunJ]

If he was the subject of insolvency proceedings in 1860 then he must surely have been born a long time before 1849.

[lisboy]

William Heatley Campbell, South Africa
Agreed, he would be too young for insolvency action:  only 11-14 yrs. old if born in 1849.  This leads me to think this record may be of his father, but I have no record of his father's name.  If his death record can be found confirming that he was age 36 at death in 1885, then given the locale, timeframe and exact same names, I can only speculate that my William Heatley Campbell is actually William Heatley Campbell Jr., son of this insolvent man. I think 'Hearlie' is an incorrect entry or transcription of Heatley/Heatlie.

The only other 'Heatley Campbell' name combination I have seen are 5 records of a Reginald Heatley Campbell [b. circa 1921 - d. 2009] in Natal South Africa.  Perhaps a grandson?