Morgan and John

[davidrigg3]

Do you have any certificates that give John Morgan's occupation?

Will be very difficult to pick them out on any census without it.

[toni*]

it might pay to get the certificate of birth for one for of the children probably Magwen seeing as she is your direct line

putting that aside i have done a basic search for Hannah Morgan & John Morgan in the same household in 1911 in Pembrokshire (which covers Haverfordwest)

there are 3 options

MORGAN HANNAH aged 47 thus born circa  1864 Narberth
i am not sure if her age allows  her to be having children in 1920

MORGAN HANNAH aged 24 thus born circa 1887  Haverfordwest she is of the right age but not old enough to marry in 1898

MORGAN MARY HANNAH aged 18 thus born circa  1893 Haverfordwest
this is Mary Hannah not Hannah Mary and therefore i dont know if she would be yours but again re the marriage if it is correct she would have been aged 5

[AMBLY]

Hi

I just typed up a long winded 'tutorial' of  narrowing down the possibilites in 19eleven searches - but now it's out there 

John MORGAN  36 (1875) born either Dale Pembrokshire or Pembroke Llanrian
and
Hannah MORGAN 24 (1887) b Robison Pembrokshire
and
Married 1911

(Once years of birth & location are known  , You can use this census database to get PoB's.
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/search.page/index/census_1911


Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Working backwards:

1901: Lower Rickeston Mill, Robeston West, Haverford West, Pembrokeshore
RG13 /  Piece: 5128 / Folio: 142 / Page: 11
Head: Tobias CODD 43, Corn Miller, b Rickeston
Wife: Jane CODD 53, b Walton West
Son: James CODD 20, unm,  Corn Miller Assistant, b -----? Rickeston
Dau: Hannah CODD 14, b Lower?? Rickeston

1891:Broad Haven, Robeston West,  Milford, Pembrokeshore
RG12 /  Piece: 4534 /  Folio 111 / Page 4
Head: Tobias CODD 32, Miller
Wife:  Mary CODD 30
James CODD 11
Dau: Sarah CODD 8
Dau: Martha CODD 6
Dau: Hannah CODD 4 (b abt 1887)
All b Rickeston

1881: Rickeston Mill, Robeston West, Milford, Pe,brokeshire
RG11 / Piece: 5416 / Folio: 107/page5
Head: Tobias CODD 65, Corn miller with Land, b St Ishmaels,
Wife: Letitia CODD 61, b Marloes
Son: Tobias CODD 28, marr, Millers son, b Robeston West
Wife: Mary CODD 21, marr, Miller son's wife, b NK
Grandson: James CODD 1, Millers son son, b Robeston West

Looks like Tobias jnr's  wife1 Mary died btw 1891 & 1901, and he had remarried to wife2 Jane by 1901. 

MARRIAGE:
Haverford West Jun Qtr 1893 Ref: 11a,  1519 and  on that same page:
Tobias CODD
Jane JOHN

Bet Jane came to the marriage with some JOHN children in tow! see reply 16

Forward to 1910:
MARRIAGE: FreeBMDJohn MORGAN   -  Jun Qtr 1910, Haverfordwest, Vol 11a, Page 1_59

The transcriber hasn't worked out the full page nr so John's not linked to his possible  bride choices.  The scan of the image though, shows clearly his number is page 1859.

If you search FreeBMD for that year & Qtr, district, Volume and full page nr - there we get Hannah CODD, sitting with another bride and just one groom.

So it looks a lot like Hannah married John MORGAN using her step-father's surname - but used her birth surname as the mms on her child's birth record?

Cheers
AMBLY

[toni*]

that sounds very good Ambly 

[AMBLY]

It does, doesn't it ! 
In a world of Johns, Morgans, Johns again -  and visons of Thomas', Williams, Evans, Harris etc etc etc - one is rather pleased to find Tobias CODD s'      

[davidrigg3]

Well done Ambly - very impressive!

[AMBLY]

Opps though -  not sure about the final theory  - spot my error,  Hannah CODD's mother in 1891 is wife1, Mary....so not wife2 Jane JOHN. 

Still think the 1910 marriage is probably the right one though?

Cheers
AMBLY

[davidrigg3]

Hmm, 'tis strange that she would use the surname of her father's second wife as her maiden name.

If it was me I would definitely be sending for Magwen's birth certificate!