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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 May 05 19:15 BST (UK) »
Found a death notice for

FRANCIS THOMAS JACKSON - note the name transposed!

Death registration Nov 1997
age 89
Reg. district Basford Nottingham
Reg # BS20C entry # 17

also

THOMAS FRANCIS JACKSON

Death registration Sept 1993
age 84
Reg district Carlise Cumbria
Reg # A44E entry # 63

What do you think?
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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 May 05 19:20 BST (UK) »
Hi annie,
Yes I had the 1881 census information putting the family at 101 Park Street and, as I said, believe that I have followed Thomas Jackson in the next two census records when he has a new wife Annie and starts a second family. I am pretty confident it is the same Thomas Jackson because of Charlotte S.S. Jackson his daughter who is still residing with him in 1891 whilst working as a general servant but by 1901 Charlotte S.S. Jackson is working as a general servant living in at The Rectory in Wyfordby near Melton Mowbray working for the Rector, a CofE clergyman, and his wife and children, the Ramsay family. At this stage 1901, Charlotte S.S. has a ten year old daughter Elizabeth Helen (Nellie) but where is she???? I can find no reference to her birth and I don't know where she was living. Perhaps, she lived in with her mother but wasn't recorded on the census as living at the Rectory because of her illegitimacy. Perhaps she had been fostered and was living with other relatives? UPDATE : MY DAD'S SISTER (MAYBE HALF-SISTER) NELLIE NOW LOCATED AS ELIZABETH ELLEN AGE 9 LIVING IN NEARBY SCALFORD WITH A 63 YEAR OLD WIDOW CALLED SARAH KNAPP AND HER SON. NELLIE'S RELATIONSHIP TO SARAH KNAPP HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD  IS DESCRIBED AS A NURSE CHILD (NOT A TERM I'M FAMILIAR WITH)

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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 May 05 19:30 BST (UK) »
Hi,
FRANCIS THOMAS JACKSON was my father (Transposition of forenames was my error in earlier message). I was responsible for registering his death at age 89 in 1997.
He was born 20 April 1908 and the illegitimate son of Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson. His older sister (or maybe half-sister), also illegitimate, was Elizabeth Helen Buckenham nee Jackson  (Nellie) and was supposedly born in vicinity of Melton Mowbray on 23 Nov 1891. ..... but I can find no reference to her birth being registered nor can I find her on the census for 1901 when she would be about ten years old. As I said, she is not living with her mother Carlotte S.S. Jackson who in 1901 was a live-in servant at The Rectory in Wyfordby near Melton Mowbray. ELIZABETH ELLEN JACKSON NOW LOCATED  AND BIRTH CERTIFICATE ORDERED FROM INDEX MELTON MOWBRAY MAR 1882 VOL 7a PAGE 316
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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 08 May 05 21:15 BST (UK) »
Colin
1901

1. There is an Elizabeth Jackson aged 11 in a workhouse in Northants
2. Elizabeth aged 10 in Melton Mowbrey parents John and Hannah
3. Elizabeth aged 9 in Birmingham parents William and Elizabeth
4. Elizabeth aged 8 in Durham parents John and Elizabeth

I can give details if you think anyone fits....

Annie
One more thing - don't forget dates are sometime births and sometimes baptisms....!so you can't always rely on the date........as being date of birth!!
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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 08 May 05 23:29 BST (UK) »
Re. Elizabeth Helen (known as Nellie) Buckenham nee Jackson.

I have a pretty firm date of birth for her (23 Nov 1891). This is because, after her marriage to her husband Robert (aka Bob) Buckenham and the birth of two daughters, Lucy and Ivy, Nellie and her family emigrated to Canada joining Thomas Buckenham, (Robert's brother who had emigrated years earlier) and Thomas's  wife, Ethel Blanche See. Thomas had established himself as a farmer in Canada and for a time Robert worked with his brother but life in Canada was not to Robert's liking and the family returned to Nottingham UK where Robert resumed work in a brickyard and he and Nellie had a third daughter, June.  All of this information is printed in North of the Gulley History Book Committee by Turner Warwick Printed Maidstne Mirror Saskatchewan 1981.

Census asks for age last birthday (I think) so in 1901 census am I right in thinking Nellie should be declared as 9 years (or 10 years if the census was held on or after 23 Nov that year). Do we know what date the census was taken?

I suppose it is conceivable that Nellie could have been farmed out to relatives of whom I am unaware and who recorded her as their own child on the census, perhaps to avoid embarrassment. It is possible that as a child Nellie was sent to a workhouse although I thought such institutions were more for orphans or destitute parents and their children. Clearly, Nellie did not lose contact with her mother Charlotte S.S. as in later life, certainly in the 1930s Nellie and her family, my father (Francis Thomas Jackson) and his mother were all living in close proximity to each other in the Meadows area of Nottingham. Also, when my father was a young child he lived with his mother in the Meadows area and his grandfather, Thomas Jackson,  (who never spoke to him owing to his illigitimacy or so he claimed), lived close by. My father had a childhood recollection of attending the funeral, along with his mother, of his grandfather in Wilford....... This is another line of enquiry I am trying to follow. If I can locate the grave, I might be able to ascertain his precise date of death and also whether other family members are buried with him. I have already located the grave of my father's mother Charlotte S.S. in The City of Nottingham Sothern Cemetery. This grave was purchased by my father in 1940 and his mother is the only occupant. I discovered that this grave can be transferred now to my ownership and that there is room in it for the burial of three more bodies or the ashes of I think it was ten people! Food for thought!

Anyway, I'd like the details .... certainly of No 2 on your list as Melton Mowbray looms large in all of this and the age for her is about right.   No 3. is a possibility on basis of age although Birmingham is 35 miles or more distant from where Charlotte was living age 22 when she gave birth to Nellie in 1891. No 4 seems unlikely - child too young and Durham is a long way North . The workhouse is I suppose another possibility - Northamptonshire County is adjacent to Leicestershire so not too far away.


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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #14 on: Monday 09 May 05 00:49 BST (UK) »

Colin
1901

2 Soho Court Melton Mowbray

John Jackson      age 34 Furnace Labourer b. Melton Mowbray
Hannah Jackson age 34 b. Melton Mowbray
Elizabeth            age 10 b. Melton Mowbray
Polly                   age 7 b. Bullwell Notts
George               aged 3 Broughton North Hants
Kate                   aged 1 b. Melton Mowbray

72 St Giles St Thomas Hospital Alms Houses
Elizabeth Jackson aged 11 b. North Hants

9 New John St Birmingham

Alice M Jackson           aged 7 b. Birmingham
Elizabeth Jackson        aged 40 b. Birmingham
Elizabeth H                 aged 8 b. Birmingham
John Jackson              aged 36 Colliery Banks man b. Birmingham
Martha J                     aged 5 b. Birmingham

This will give you an idea....

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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #15 on: Monday 09 May 05 01:49 BST (UK) »


Guess what ??
I found some Soady"s in Jersey in 1861...........!!!!


5 Bond Street

Abraham Bandins           b. 1816 St Peters Port Guernsey
Elizabeth Bandins           b.1826 Devonport England
SUSAN SOADY  servant  b. 1843  St Helier Jersey
Daniel Kennedy Lodger  age 19 St Helier Jersey
John Kennedy Lodger    age 23 Ireland
Samuel Madifer Lodger  age 14 Ireland

2 Cross Street

Prudence Soady       age 57 School Mistress b. England
Elizabeth J? Soady   age 21 Dress maker b. Jersey
Kitty Soady              age 15 Ironer b. Jersey
Martha J Dorey        age ? lodger b. Jersey

1 Byron? Road

Mary Jane Soady married  age 29 b. St Helier Jersey
Henrietta MJ Soady           age 2 b.St. Helier Jersey Jersey

it says Mary Jane is head of household !!

these 2 ladies were included with the Soadys

38 High Cliff
Charlotte De St Crois servant b. 1845 St Lawrence Jersey

54 King St
Mary De St Crois boarder age 26 Needlewoman b. St. Peters Jersey


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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #16 on: Monday 09 May 05 13:34 BST (UK) »
Hi

I was wondering if this young lady might be your Elizabeth (h)ellen Jackson.  She is about the right age and at that age would not really know where she was born.  And the family she is with may have had to take a guess?????

 Elizabeth Ellen Jachens 9  Eastwell, Leicestershire, England Nurse Child  Scalford  Leicestershire   
 Sarah Knapp 63  Waltham, Leicestershire, England Head  Scalford  Leicestershire   
 William Knapp 17  Scalford, Leicestershire, England Son  Scalford  Leicestershire   


On the image it does say JACKSON.

If you want a copy of the iomage let me have your email address.

Wendy
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Blakeley in Batley West Yorks
Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire
Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks
Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks
Moss in Morley and Leeds
Parker in Morley W Yorks
Parker in Hull E Yorks
Tilburns in Morley W Yorks

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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #17 on: Monday 09 May 05 13:39 BST (UK) »
Hi

and here is the record of her birth.  Just remember that as she was as you say born NOV her birth entry would not have made it that quarter of OCT - DEC And the month shown is not when she was born but the last month of the next quarter JAN - MARCH So that's why is shows MARCH 1892.


Name:    Jackson, Elizabeth Ellen
Record Type:    Births
Quarter:    March
Year:    1892
District:    Melton Mowbray 
County:    Leicestershire Nottinghamshire
Volume:    7a
Page:    316


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Blakeley in Batley West Yorks
Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire
Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks
Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks
Moss in Morley and Leeds
Parker in Morley W Yorks
Parker in Hull E Yorks
Tilburns in Morley W Yorks