Ignace, Ontario

[Razzy]

OK, both those worked, thanks so much.
I don't know, I am so fed up with computers, thanks.

I need to know more than what the certificae reads. I was hoping for a registration of death.
I need to find Olives' parents and place of birth.
The Ontario certificate does not seem to supply this information from what I am reading.
Does anyone read any different?
I do not see where I can request a regiastration of death. I only see certificate of death.
thanks,
Razzy

[geniecolgan]

Do you know how old Olive was when she died?

[Razzy]

the obit said 80. Now maybe in her 80th year or she was actually 80.
in the 1906 federal census she is listed aged 30 with her husband Sidney MASTERS in Winnipeg, Manitoba and two children Lewis and Eva also two lodgers
Winnipeg Ward 5
Olives' obit says she was born in Ontario and so does the 1906 census.
Does this help?

[polarbear]

Razzy, if you scroll down the order form, you will see 3 different types you can order, one of which is the 'long form' which includes the medical certificate. You will have to meet the eligibilty conditions to order any certificate from the restricted years (post 1939).

Regards
Polarbear

[Razzy]

Hi Polarbear,
I am missing something then. I am nok, a great grandson.
I am searching for the spouse (to confirm), parents, and place of birth.
The extended long form is a joining of the death certificate and the medical certificate of death.
In reading what is in the extended long form or the medical certificate of death is the certificate of death.
What is contained there in the certificate of death is 'basic information'.
The medical certificate of death adds 'signatures'.
The extended long form combines the two other forms.

Basic information tell who died, where, when. Nothing about parents or place of birth.
I have bought certificates of death before (my mistake) and that is all the information I recieved, just a death certificate, not even spouses name, nothing else.
I will say this was a certificate from another province of Canada.

Medical certificate of death tells me what the person died of and signatures of the doctor, medical examiner, it is possible of the person who identified the deceased. Now since my g/grandmother died in her daughters town, Ignace, I think I know who any possible signature would be if any came from family.
So the extended long form which combines the two does not seem to tell me and the printing of the expanation the province of Ontario gives does not include, as other provinces and countries (OGR Freebmd) do, the parents names and place of birh.
The Ontario forms do not seem to include this information.
I have understood that is why a registration contains much more meaningful information than a certificate. I have an Albertan and a Yukon certificate of death, unfortunately the information was of no help because the basics were on the certificate but not the spouses, the parents, nor the place of birth.

[cosmac]

I don't think you took the time to read the options for a death certificate in Ontario and really find out what forms they are referring to.  The certified copies of death - long form and the extended long form - both include the information contained on the Statement of Death that is filled out by the funeral home.  A copy of the current form (2005) can be found at this site and it does allow information on parents to be included.
http://www.jamiomar.org/docs/Statement_of_Death_Form-15.pdf

That doesn't mean that this information was collected in 1953.  There were many different forms for registering deaths in Ontario used over the years and the information gathered varied.  Some contained room for parents information and others concentrated on the year of death and the doctor's signature and diagnosis.
If you don't want to gamble $22.00 on what information can be found then email the Thunder Bay ofice of the Registrar General and ask what information you could expect to find out from a Statement of Death in 1953.

In order for you to qualify to obtain a death registration all of Olive's siblings and/or children must no longer be living - only then do grandchildren become eligible to apply for a registration. 

Debbie

[Razzy]

Thanks Debbie,
I emailed the Thunder Bay office and am waiting their reply I expect next week.
Yes, I read the forms but the forms were not clear enough.
The modern form you attached did ask the questions but the website did not clarify what to expect on the forms.
The OGR for Great Britian states what we can expect on each form.
I am in BC which is a distance from Ontario.
In the past I requested a certificate of death from Alberta and also from the Yukon, and parents, spouse, place of death were not included. A dud.
So it is with concern when I need to order a certificate of death and I am not able to clarify what information is included before I order.
All of Olives' children have now died.
I can expect since Olive was 80 when she died all her siblings have now died.
Thanks,
Razzy

[Jacquie in Canada]

Razzy, are there any living children of Olive that you are in contact with? If none of her children are still alive, what about living grandchildren (your parent?)?

Jacquie

[geniecolgan]

the obit said 80. Now maybe in her 80th year or she was actually 80.
in the 1906 federal census she is listed aged 30 with her husband Sidney MASTERS in Winnipeg, Manitoba and two children Lewis and Eva also two lodgers
Winnipeg Ward 5
Olives' obit says she was born in Ontario and so does the 1906 census.
Does this help?

Maybe this is a lead 

Apr 23 1925 a Lewis Roy Masters married a Thirza Alice Graham in Kenora, Ont.
Lewis said; he was born in Winnipeg, Man, gave his age as 25, his father was Sydney James Masters and his mother was Olive Irwin.

There is an Ontario birth of an Olive Irwin; b. 27 Dec 1875,  to Samuel Irwin and Ann Jane Johnson. Registered 14 Feb 1876 in Lambton #013051