Ignace, Ontario

[cosmac]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,533072.10.html
See Jacquie's reply #5 on above thread
Olive b. Dec 1875 Lambton is on the 1911 census with her parent and single.

Debbie

[Razzy]

Yes, I think Olives last name is IRWIN, I also think that Olives' parents are Samuel and Anna Jane.
Proof is in the registration.
Recently I was able to find Olives date of death and am now using this to find her registration of death hopefully.
Yesterday I emailed the Thunder Bay office to request if the death certificate of 1953 had the information: Parents od deaceased, spouse, and place of birth. Then I will have the proof.
My past experience is that death certificates do not provide that information, maybe this is an exception.
Jacquie and another person brought to my attention they found three different Olive IRWINs while they were helping me.
That time, they did not think the Olive IRWIN with parents Samuel and Anna Jane was the Olive who married Sidney MASTERS and had son Lewis, et al.
So now I need to hear from the Thunder Bay office confirming that on death certificates of 1953 the name of the spouse, parents, and place of birth were on those forms for that year, 1953.
Otherwise I need to find a form that does include this information, then I will have my proof.
Otherwise, I will need to keep searching until I find the right Olive.
razzy

[cosmac]

sI would be interested in what information you do find on the 1953 death certificate.  I really think you are wrong to pin your hopes on Samuel Irwin and Ann Jane Johnston are Olive's parents. 

It was pointed out earlier that there is a family tree on ancestry with a photograph of Olive M. Irwin's headstone.  Other trees show her with a definite death date of 11 November 1948.

Samuel and Ann Jane had a daughter Elizabeth who married under Annie E. Irwin in 1885 Lambton to Richard Boulton.  Below is a link to the 1901 census for Eliz. Boulton and her children.  Living in the same residence in Lambton County is Ollie Irwin, dressmaker, with a birth date in Dec 1875 - I would think Elizabeth's sister.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/uidlinks/Links.jsp?uid=700233998
In 1911 Olive is living with her mother in Ontario

Olive's brother Thomas James Irwin b. Aug 14, 1865 d. 4 Dec 1924.  His residence at the time was 234 Napier Street, Sarnia and the informant was his sister Miss Olive Irwin of the same address.  Thomas' parents were given as Samuel Irwin Ireland and Annie Jean Johnston Carleton Place.

Another son of Samuel's, John Irwin, d. 1934 in Lambton county and the informant was Miss Irwin of 234 Napier Street.

I would be folliwing the Louisa Irwin b. 7 Mar 1874 London Middlesex ont. to James Irwin and Rebecca Foster.  On the 1891 census for London, Ont Rebecca Irwin is a 45 year old widow with son Armon, 23 living with her (he married in 1892 which gave father's name), 17 year old Olive L. (the Louisa of the birth registration? ), and another daughter.  Don't see Olive L. Irwin in the 1901 census and in the 1881 for London, Middlesex there is
james Irwin 55 b. Ireland with wife Ann Irwin 45 b. Ire and children John 26, b. Eng , Anthony 24, B. Ont, Mary A. 23, Bridget, 21, George, 18, Lizzie 10, Sarah J. 9, William 7, Louisa 5, Frederick 1.

Added
Not sure if that 1881 is relevant or not.  In the 1871 for London James Irwin, 30 and Rebecca 25, have children Annie 5, Armon 3, and Lessie (?) 1.  All born Ontario with employment for James shown as oil refinery.

On the 1880 US census for Brooklyn New York  a Rebecca Irwin, 34 b. Canada, no marital status indicated, is a niece in the household of Rev. W. W. Clark.  His wife Emily and  15 year old son Sherwood were born in Canada.

Debbie

[cosmac]

Olive Louisa Irwin d/o James Irwin and Rebecca Foster doesn't work either.

Marriage 1 Jan 1907 Bruce County to John Alexander Geddes (her last name is indexed as Irevin)
1911 census the couple is in Moosejaw Sask. with children.

Debbie

[Razzy]

Thanks Debbie,
I am not pinning my hopes on Samuel and Anna Jane anymore.
I had in the past and am not anymore. I really hope to have had the death registration by now, but Manitoba Vital Stats cannot find the Olive buried in Manitoba, and now maybe I understand since she died in Ignace, Ontario -not Manitoba.
I am waiting to hear back from Manitoba Vital Stats and also Ontario, now that I could email them on Friday.
Bieng buried in Manitoba maybe, maybe, there will be some information just for the fact Olive is buried in Manitoba although she died in Ontario.
Razzy

[polarbear]

Hi Razzy.

I was wondering ....

Did you ever contact the Teulon Cemetery to see if they had any spousal or parental info, as was suggested on your other thread?

PB
 

[Razzy]

Hi Polarbear,
yes, I did contact their email. No response. I will try again though.
Had a reply from Thunder Bay. My email was not read, Thunder Bay just passed me on to Ontario Gen. Society, plus two other gov't departments.
So no answer on whether the 1953 death certificates include the information that I need.
Have not heard from Manitoba yet, I went to Staples and sent them a fax on Thursday.
I expect maybe I will recieve a letter in the mail so I will be waiting for that.
Razzy

This is what I recieved as response:
Thank you for contacting the Ministry of Government Services.

 The Thunder Bay Production and Verification Services Branch holds Ontario records for births for the past 95 years, marriages for the past 80 years and deaths for the past 70 years.  You may contact the branch at 416-325-8305 in Toronto, or toll-free (in Ontario) at 1-800-461-2156.

 To obtain records prior to that time, contact the Archives of Ontario, Vital Statistics Reference, 134 Ian Macdonald Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, M7A 2C5, or call the Vital Statistics Hotline at 416-327-1593; toll-free within Ontario: 1-800-668-9933.  Visit the Archives’ website at: http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/index.aspx

 The Ontario Genealogical Society (OGS) also has sources that may be able to assist you.  You can reach the OGS at: Suite102, 40 Orchard View Boulevard, Toronto ON  M4R 1B9; Telephone: 416-489-0734; fax: 416-489-9803. Its website is http://www.ogs.on.ca/.

 You may also wish to visit the website for Library and Archives Canada at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html.

The site is a single window providing electronic access to the genealogical resources of Canada.  It offers genealogical content, services, advice, research tools and opportunities to work online on joint projects in both official languages.

So, I never did recieve a response, really. I am not in Ontario so the Ontario only toll free number does not help me.

Razzy

[Jacquie in Canada]

Razzy, are there any living children of Olive that you are in contact with? If none of her children are still alive, what about living grandchildren (your parent?)?

Since you didn't respond to my question, I'm assuming you didn't see it.

Jacquie

[Razzy]

I did see it Jacquie, sorry that I did not respond,
No there are no living children still alive. None of my aunts, uncles, cousins, nor my parent know of Olives' parents, place of birth, or Olives' sblings.
Olives' obit in the Teulon paper Stonewal Argus says Olive is from Ontario. No mention of her parents.
Believing that Lewis is illegitimate, possibly relations between Olive and her siblings and her parents could have been estranged.
I have never found a marriage of Olive and Sidney, nor a divorce of Sidney and Harriet.
I did request a marriage certificate from Manitoba, however, nothing was found.
I have not requested a divorce of Sidney and Harriet.
I have as children of Olive and Sidney:
Lewis Roy b1899d1955,
Ida May b1905/06d1909,
Hazel b?dmid60s,
Nellie May b1911 d80s?,
Albert James b1913d1978,
Edward John b1916d?,
Clara Irene b1919d1983.
Outside of Lewis, most or all of Sidney and Olives' children were born in Teulon, MB.
So none of the childrens' names refer to Sidney and maybe Olives' middle initial is 'M', or, maybe not.
None of the childrens names refer to Sidneys family, except, maye Edward.
I have not found any Irwins in Ontario or Manitoba with any reference to the choosing of names for Olive and Sidney, particularly 1901 or sooner federal or provincial census in Ontario.
Despite Lewis' marriage to Thirza in 1925 Sidneys' middle name is John, not James.
I used to find Olive and Sidney and Harriett in the 1916 federal census at Camp Hughs in Manitoba (around Winnipeg somewhere).
I cannot find Olive in the Ontario or the Manitoba census in 1901 with Lewis.
It is possible, if Olive went back to her parents, the family did not show Lewis for enumeration, maybe social stigma?
Thanks Jacquie,
Razzy