collins 1851/1861 census look up please

[Gibel]

Which of the 3 children esther Ellen, Charles and Mary Ann is thought to be your direct ancestor?

If the couple were in Liverpool Workhouse in the 1861 census they would show within the pages for the workhouse. It's more likely they have been badly transcribed or they are using a different name.

Gibel

[Radcliff]

What does this mean on the marriage record , it says married by registrars certificate ?

[Radcliff]

There may be more than one John Collins and Ellen


Joannes Morgan Collins
son of Joannes Collins and Helena Grady,
Holy Cross,
born 11th of August,
baptism 19 th of August,
God parents Joannis McGun and Maria

Ellen,Helena Collins
born 19th of April,baptism 4th of May
God Parents ,Edward Anderson and Margarite Riley

Catherine, Catherina
7th of October 1863
baptism 18 th of October,
God parents Joannis McVeigh,and Maria McGun?

[Gibel]

To add to those 3 children there's also a Michael in 1869.

Then there are the children of John Collins and Ellen Ashurst!

We really need the name of the proven ancestor - a child of John and Ellen and what it says on the child's birth certificate. Otherwise we're going round in circles.

Gibel

[paulwaring]

To add to those 3 children there's also a Michael in 1869.

Then there are the children of John Collins and Ellen Ashurst!

We really need the name of the proven ancestor - a child of John and Ellen and what it says on the child's birth certificate. Otherwise we're going round in circles.

Gibel

charles collins is my great grandfather who married bridget in 1900 they are on the 1901 census at 344 fleet lane parr living with john collins and ellen collins

[Ladyhawk]

charles collins is my great grandfather who married bridget in 1900

1901 census at 344 fleet lane parr living with john collins and ellen collins

1901 RG13; Piece: 3525; Folio: 97; Page: 26

John Collins Head 70 (b1831) Much Woolton Coal Miner
Ellen wife  63 (1838) Upholland
CHARLES son 30 (1871)Rainford Nr St Helens Coal Miner
Bridget wife 28 Galway Ireland
Martin GAVIN son  2 Prescot
Ellen dau 6 months St Helen’s

Jun 1900 Prescot  vol 8b page 1128
Charles COLLINS
Name on same page
Bridget GAVIN

1891 RG12; Piece: 3024; Folio 89; Page 13
Charles age 20 Lancs  Coal Miner with parents John (b1829) Coal Miner & Ellen

1881 RG11; Piece: 3728; Folio: 68; Page: 26
Charles age 10 Upholland with parents John (b1837)Coal Miner & Ellen

1871 RG10; Piece: 3868; Folio: 11; Page: 16
Charles age 7 months Rainford  with parents John J (b1842) Coal Miner & Ellen

Is the 1859 marriage the correct one for John Collins & Ellen?

We really need the name of the proven ancestor - a child of John and Ellen and what it says on the child's birth certificate.

Otherwise we're going round in circles.

Yes I agree Gibel

Do you have Charles or any other child’s birth certificate to confirm mother’s maiden name?

This is his birth entry from Lancashire BMD http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi?county=lancashire

1870 COLLINS Charles Rainford St Helens RAI/7/33

Have you checked the 1911c for Charles & Bridget to see if he is still living with his parents
John & Ellen this may give an indication as to how long J & E have been married

Do you know if boarder Thomas Collins b1843 Woolton living with John & Ellen on 1891c is related ?

for info. in case it relates - don't know if there is a connection to John Collins but this looks to be Thomas Collins with his mother & siblings 1861

1861 RG9; Piece: 2740; Folio: 99; Page: 7;
Foly Vale Little Woolton
Jane Collins Sr.  Wife Mar. 48 Much Woolton
William 21 Much Woolton Labourer
Charles 15 Stone Mason (ap.)
THOMAS 18 (1843) Little Woolton
Jane 10
Henry 6
James 3

and brother William & mother Jane on 1841

1841 HO107; Piece 511; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Childwall;; ED: 1; Folio: 14; Page: 21;  - Delfham Much Woolton
Jane 28, Charles Collins 29 Stone Mason, children Mary, Elizabeth, Ellen & William age 1

19 Feb 1832 St Peter, Liverpool
Charles Collins - Stone Mason of This Parish
Jane Guy - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Wits: Joseph Thelwell; Ellen Hignett, (X)
Lancashire OPC

[Ladyhawk]

Hi paulwaring there's a public tree on A******y but there is no source for the info. given so cannot say how accurate it is

No parents names given for John & Ellen or marriage details, they name two children Mary Ann 1872 – 1955 & Charles 1870 Rainford married Bridget Gavin dau Mary Ann 1902

Death John Collins 13/02/1911  48 Perckershill Road Sutton born 1838
Death Ellen Collins 15/12/1904 90 Perkshill Road Sutton born 1836 - Ellen Bannister bapt. St. Thomas Upholland 28/8/1836

I have found this christening record to confirm parents names of Ellen Bannister
Christening date 28/8/1936 Upholland Lancashire parents James Bannister & Esther


and here she is on the censuses

28 Feb 1829 All Saints, Wigan
James Bannister  (X) Esther Heaton  (X)
both of Wigan Parish
Wit Samuel Hickox Saml. Vizard

1841 HO107; Piece 522; Book: 20; Civil Parish: Wigan ED: 4; Folio: 7; Page: 6; Line: 9
Damels Lane Upholland
James Bannister 30 Cotton Weaver
John 12
Edward 10
Elizabeth 7
ELLEN 5
All born in this county

14 Jul 1845 All Saints, Wigan
James Banister (X), 38 Weaver Widower father John (dead)
Ellen Howarth (X) 34 Weaver Spinster
Both  of Up Holland   
Wit Thomas Hirst, (X); Catharine Bancks, (X)

1851 HO107; Piece: 2201; Folio: 75; Page: 5;
James Banister has remarried Ellen
3 step children surname Howarth & 3 Banister (ELLEN is 14)

1861 Ellen is not at home with father James

The only way of confirming these details is to obtain Charles Collins 1870 birth certificate (details given above) to confirm his mother’s maiden name - you can then look for John & Ellen’s marriage
I may have missed something but I can’t find a BANNISTER/COLLINS marriage on Lancashire BMD or FreeBMD 

Looking at the free index 1911 Charles & Bridget are living in Warrington Lancashire with their children Martin 12, Ellen 10, Mary Ann 8,  James 6, Thomas 5 & Charles 10 months

Hope the info. may prove helpful in your search please let us know if you find out anything or have any more details on you Collins family so we may be able to help further 

[paulwaring]

thank you ladyhawk will have a look into that and repost if i find any more information