collins 1851/1861 census look up please

[paulwaring]

ive found the marriage record for my great great grand parents and wanted to know who their parents are here is the details i have found would be grateful of any help


marriage 14 aug 1859 st martins in the fields liverpool lancashire
john collins - minor labourer bachelor of tenterden st liverpool
ellen grady minor spinster of tenterden st liverpool
grooms father william collins labourer
brides fathe andrew grady

[chickadee2212]

1861: 17, Chesnut Street, Liverpool

John COLLINS, Head  b1833 Ireland - Boot Maker Employing 1man 1boy
Ellen COLLINS, Wife  b1836 Parkgate, Cheshire   
Joseph COLLINS,  Son  b1858  Liverpool
John COLLINS, Son  b1860  Birkenhead
John C GRADY,  Boarder b1818  Ireland - Schoolmaster
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Piece: 2682
Folio: 103
Page: 33     

Edit: See here for details

[chickadee2212]

Can't find on 1851 at the moment

[Ladyhawk]

1861: 17, Chesnut Street, Liverpool

John COLLINS, Head  b1833 Ireland - Boot Maker Employing 1man 1boy
Ellen COLLINS, Wife  b1836 Parkgate, Cheshire   
Joseph COLLINS,  Son  b1858  Liverpool
John COLLINS, Son  b1860  Birkenhead
John C GRADY,  Boarder b1818  Ireland - Schoolmaster
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Piece: 2682
Folio: 103
Page: 33     

I wondered about that one too - John's occupation given as a Labourer on marriage 1859 both minors at marriage

Information on the Marriage Certificate for Genealogy Research
if it says "minor" or "under age" that means between the ages of 12 and 20 for a girl and 14-20 for a boy,

I can't place a John & Ellen with occupation Labourer on 1861c there's this one wrong occ. though and it would mean son Thomas born before marriage 1859

1861 RG9; Piece: 3098; Folio: 101; Page: 33
John Collins 24 Ireland cotton spinner
Ellen Collins 21 Ireland
Thomas Collins 4 (1857) Blackburn
Anne Collins 2


Edit

Don't think the above is your John & Ellen as there's a marriage in Blackburn 1855 John Collins & Ellen Hagan names on same page   

Haven't been able to find an Ellen Grady with father Andrew occ. Labourer on 1851 census either

[mosiefish]

Hi,

Where do they say they were born on a later census?

[Ladyhawk]

Where do they say they were born on a later census?

Good question mosiefish from paulwarings post I'd assumed he only has the marriage details

John COLLINS, Head  b1833 Ireland - Boot Maker Employing 1man 1boy
Ellen COLLINS, Wife  b1836 Parkgate, Cheshire   
Joseph COLLINS,  Son  b1858  Liverpool
John COLLINS, Son  b1860  Birkenhead
John C GRADY,  Boarder b1818  Ireland - Schoolmaster

here's this family on 1871 & 1881c

1871 RG10; Piece: 3792; Folio: 36; Page: 1
John Collins occ Bootmaker & Ellen
have 5 additions to 1861c
Phillip 10, Frances 8, Mary 6, Joseph 4 & Vincent 1

1881 Ellen Collins widowed 3 more children
Edward 7, Ellen 6 & Annie 4

[chickadee2212]

I wondered about that one too - John's occupation given as a Labourer on marriage 1859 both minors at marriage

Information on the Marriage Certificate for Genealogy Research
if it says "minor" or "under age" that means between the ages of 12 and 20 for a girl and 14-20 for a boy,
Don't think the above is your John & Ellen as there's a marriage in Blackburn 1855 John Collins & Ellen Hagan names on same page   

Oops I think I jumped ahead of myself, as I saw the name Grady listed with the family & may have jumped to conclusions

Edit: - apologies - It appears the one I suggests is this couple:
Mar 1857   
Ashurst  Ellen    Wirral  8a 542   
Collins  John     Wirral  8a 542

[Ladyhawk]

Oops I think I jumped ahead of myself, as I saw the name Grady listed with the family & may have jumped to conclusions

chickadee2212 I was refereing to the 1861c census I had posted John Collins occ. cotton spinner
Hopefully paulwaring will let us know if he has any further info. on this family 

[paulwaring]

john collins on the 1901 census living in 344 fleet lane parr aged 70 born much woolton nr liverpool
ellen collins was at same address aged 60 born up holland
when they married they were both living in the same street tenterden street
i know that johns dad was william from the marriage record but doent give williams  wifes name
and ellens dad was called andrew