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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 November 11 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Cary,  there's an actor named Michie appeared on a travelogue on the box recently. He claimed they're a branch of MacDonell of Keppoch, which would fit in with Kilmoniavaig.   Skoosh.

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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 03 November 11 05:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Skoosh,

Yes, I think he is correct, the Michie's of Perthshire I do believe are connected to the McDonnell's Clan, as opposed to the Michie's of Aberdeen are from a different clan I think...though the Michie's in Perthshire have been there since at least the late 1600's, if not earlier...so maybe is was a case of going back to their roots,  :D.  I truly think that will be a mystery never solved - why they went for about 4 years to Kilmoniavaig!

On that old family history there was something written about Alexander being a gamekeeper for the Lord Lyons but I think that is hooey as the title Lord Lyons only came about in 1840, so maybe it was some other Lord!

Cheers, Cary
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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 03 November 11 10:26 GMT (UK) »
Cary,  I think the title Lord Glenlyon is a subsidiary title of the Duke of Atholl.    Skoosh.

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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 03 November 11 21:21 GMT (UK) »
This is a true shot in the dark! .....
....  Many thanks in advance for any thoughts.
Regards, Cary 
Thought I would check to see if Cary's ‘shot in the dark’ for his MICHIE family name scored any hits in the DGFHS MIs database.  Although not totally comprehensive (no MIs database can every be complete) this database draws on surveys from more than 160 graveyard in Dumfries and Galloway.  The data comprises records of MIs taken from 24 thousand gravestones covering 5 thousand different names and variations. 
DGFHS on line at www.dgfhs.org.uk [database is NOT online.]
The search reports given below record only one MICHIE hit and two MECHIE hits, one of which is actually in Wigtownshire.

Location:   Dumfries (St. Mary's Churchyard), Dumfriesshire
In Memory of 
Janet KEDIE, spouse of Robert MICHIE, who died at Brownhall in this Parish on the 14th November 1847 aged 27 years
Also Jane REIR his mother, who died on the 14th June 1883 aged 87 years

Location:   Gretna Old Parish Graveyard, Dumfriesshire
Here lyes the corps of 
Mary JOHNSTON, spouse to Alexander MECHIE in Guard, who died January 19th 1732, of age 22 
And her child

Location:   Glenluce Cemetery (Church St. opposite Old Kirkyard), Wigtownshire
In Loving Memory of 
Jessie CAMPBELL, beloved wife of William MECHIE, who died at Glen of Luce 21st Feb 1914 aged 58 years 
Also the above named William MECHIE, who died at Glen of Luce 23rd Dec 1914 in his 53rd year

DGFHS archives also comprise many Old Parochial Register indexes for deaths and burials in Dumfriesshire.
A search of these indexes simply confirm that the MICHIE family is little known in Dumfriesshire.

The following is NOT indexed by Scotlandspeople but IS indexed in DGFHS publication –
Dumfries Parish, Deaths and Burials Registers Index vol. I:
Amilie MICHIE, Sept 29 1648 
[Although not found in Scotlandspeople Indexes, I have viewed the film of this OPR entry.]

The Tynron Parish OPR, which are indexed by Scotlandspeople, lists this child death in 1770.
Agnes MICHIE  -  daughter to William MICHIE and Isobel CORSON
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Update: Queried missing Dumfries index reference with Scotlandspeople -- they have corrected the error
Adam : Criggie : Davidson : Freeman : Jeamie : Lownie : Mackie : Pittendreigh : Ritchie
in Kinneff, Bervie, Benholm & St. Cyrus Parishes


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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #13 on: Friday 04 November 11 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Skoosh, that is an interesting lead and I did follow it but have now received another lead which has helped me place things a bit better but still missing information on what happened to the two brothers. 

And Johnner, just wonderful.  Great source the DGFHS obviously is.  Yes, I think the Michie name is rather rare in the county.  Thank you for the effort to locate anything on the family there. 

Now for an update.  I have come across some more family history that details a bit better when the family went in Dumfriesshire.  In addition the eldest son David's marriage in Montreal, Quebec in 1837 specifically states that his parents Alexander Michie & Helen Morris were of Dumfriesshire, so we know they were there then but left and came to Canada in 1838. 

Now a bit more on the further family history that ties to this Lord Lyon story.  It now seems this Lord Lyons was in fact not a Lord but in fact John Stewart Lyon, Esq, who owned Kirkmichael House, Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire.  Kirkmichael House had a wooded land and therefore a gamekeeper was probably engaged. 

This John Stewart Lyon evidently came to Upper Canada (Ontario) at one point, prior to 1836 and owned or inherited property through his wife, who was a Mary Theresa Dickson born in Ontario.  It appears the wedding took place in London in 1836 and John & Mary returned to Kirkmichael, where their children were born.  The family continued to own the property for some time but also property in Upper Canada. 

So now I think we have a place where Alexander & his family were living and probably where his sons were if they died in Dumfriesshire.  So next big question - is there a listing of the cemetery incriptions from Kirkmichael?  Or did the Lyon family have their own cemetery?  Maybe all getting a bit clearer or mabe more murky!  :P
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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #14 on: Friday 04 November 11 23:15 GMT (UK) »
I have all the MIs for Kirkmichael -- sorry Cary but none of your MICHIEs are listed.
The LYON family have this huge memorial.
Adam : Criggie : Davidson : Freeman : Jeamie : Lownie : Mackie : Pittendreigh : Ritchie
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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 05 November 11 02:19 GMT (UK) »
Well if I have ever seen an impressive grave that is it!

Thanks for that, I didn't put much hope in finding anything there but just a long shot but at least I think I am on the right track for where the family was.  These two brothers may end up a mystery for all time...

Cheers, Cary
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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 05 November 11 17:58 GMT (UK) »
Maybe all getting a bit clearer or mabe more murky! 

Hi Cary, I'm not sure if this makes things clearer or murkier -- you wiil have to be judge of that !
I was a duty volunteer in the DGFHS Research Centre this morning and wasn't too busy.
Had a look at the OPRs for Dumfriesshire Marriages to see if there was anything on your 'rare'  MICHIEs.
What do you make of these two OPR extract clips? :
- the Dumfries Parish clip identifies a Robert MICHIE, widower & freeman in Kingholm Mill (so probably a miller) declaring his intention to marry Agnes Coupland both of the same parish.
- the Mouswald Parish clip confirms they were married in Dumfries 4th June 1849
Do they belong to your lot ?
Cheers,
Sy
Adam : Criggie : Davidson : Freeman : Jeamie : Lownie : Mackie : Pittendreigh : Ritchie
in Kinneff, Bervie, Benholm & St. Cyrus Parishes

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Re: Michie - Shot in the Dark
« Reply #17 on: Friday 12 December 14 19:40 GMT (UK) »
re the lyon family kirkmichel photos available,john william stewart LYON