Jones/Roberts Family - Llangollen

[Gadget]

Can anyone find Winifred on the 1891 - I missed that one and I've got to go soon.


gnu

[EmyrBorth]

Hi
It might be of interest that Gwen, short for Gwenffrewi, is the Welsh equivalent of Winifred.
I've come across examples of a person being recorded as Gwen in one Census, and Winifred in another.
Emyr
Modified - typing error corrected 'a other' to 'another'.

[HGauthier]

Thanks EmyrBorth! I will record that in my tree!

[Gadget]

I've not got a good match for  Winifred in the 1891 but this looks like it might be sister Ann Jane in the 1881:

15 Oak Street, Llangollen
RG11/5541/20/34
Household of Morris Roberts, joiner.

Ann Jane Jones, servant, single, 14, domestic servant, b. Llangollen


gnu

Thanks Emyr - I knew about the names - had friends and relatives who used both -    and have  borne that in mind in my searches. A good shout for non-Welsh searchers though.

[HGauthier]

Thanks Gnu..it would explain why Ann Jane isn't showing up on the 1881 census.  I wonder if the Household of Morris Roberts is related to Gwen?

[Gadget]

  I wonder if the Household of Morris Roberts is related to Gwen?

It' possible but very very unlikely. I have a Roberts line  and it comes from the same broad area but it's not related to your line.

Welsh surnames are a bit of a nuisance really - Roberts is just son of Robert - way back in the post-patronymic days. At one stage i felt very please to not have any Jones lines - none, that is, until I got to the great grandparents. Now I have 8 separate Jones lines; none of which are related.

gnu

[HGauthier]

Interesting...but it sure makes it hard to research!

[Gadget]

Jut a bit more before I go to my bed  

I was Googling Ty issa Farm - of Mary had a little lamb fame (not proven) and came up with this query. Some of it fits with what we've found ,parts don't. Anyway, I've not looked through it all but it might be worth you reading it:

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=1621&p=localities.britisles.wales.den.general


gnu

[HGauthier]

Thanks Gnu... have a great night!  I really appreciate all your efforts..