Jones/Roberts Family - Llangollen

[HGauthier]

Just to tell you some other things I do know..

The family either lived in or beside the 'folk lore' house of Mary had a little lamb, although that was later dis-proven.  Going through old articles that they kept, there is a picture of this house and it say's our house or something (there was a fire in it, and someone was sending pictures of it to my great great grandparents in Canada (from Wales)).

Also, I just found on an old passport that my Great grandmother Marie lists Liverpool as her place of birth (So my Great Great Grandparents Winifred and Charles must have lived there)

And.. I found the boarding pass used by Winifred Chandler and child when they left Liverpool travelling on the Siberian on Oct 22, 1910.

[Gadget]

Hi

I think our last posts crossed - hope you didn't miss the 1871 census as that is Gwen. It also confirms the 1881 family.

gnu

[HGauthier]

hmm maybe...

The 1871 Census states Gwen - The 1881 States Elizabeth - which could indicate that Elizabeth is Winifred's Step-mother.  However, Ann Jane is showing on the 1871 census and not the 1881 census which could mean she died I suppose, however she was 4 years old on the 1871 census, so I'm not sure.  It is also possible that the older children on the 1881 Census actually belonged to the second wife Elizabeth ? (If in fact it is his second wife).. what do you think?

[maidmarion]

1871 Llangollen
RG10;/ 5683/11/14
Edward Jones Head   60 malster asst b.Bryneglwys
Elizth Jones wife 63 b.Llanarmon
Griffith Edwards grandson 10 scholar b.Llangollen

Is this Griffith the printer compositor from the 1881 census?

[Gadget]

I think the 1871 is the family - you said that Winifred's mother was  Gwen and that she died in childbirth - compare brother Thomas and John,  the father,  on both censuses.

Ann might well have been working away by 1881 - she would be 14 - old enought then.

This might be Gwen and her parents in 1861:

Trawsgoed mawr, Rhos y ? and Nant Heulog, Llangwm
RG09/4310/4/4

Robert Roberts, 63, farmer of 55 acres
Margaret, 62
Hugh, 23
Gwen, 24
Robert Edwards, servant, 11

All b. Llangwm

Have a look through every thing and see if it fits. I don't see a marriage for winifred and Charles so far.


gnu

[HGauthier]

Well...maybe this is all accurate.  I'm such a sceptic when it comes to Wales because everyone is named the same thing!

Having said that, in your experience dealing with Welsh Genealogy, would you say that this is the same family?  What you're saying does make a lot of sense.

[Gadget]

I'd  say it looks like the same family but, as I  said, have a look at it all and see what you think.

I posted before I'd finished on the last post so had to add to it.


gnu

[HGauthier]

Your so helpful!

I saw to possible errors on the 1881 census.  My great grandmother Marie would have been 10 during the 1881 Census, yet she doesn't appear.  Also on the 1861 Census of Gwen's family she is showing as aged 24, but on the 1881 Census she is showing as 35..but if it were her on the 1861 census she'd be showing as 45..

[Gadget]

Could you check the dates of all the people you've mentioned because your last posting doesn't fit what you said earlier.

Winifred was b 1871 to John and Gwen. Gwen died and John remarried

Winifred married Charles and had Marie Winifred circa 1901. I don't think she was around in 1881.

gnu