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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #27 on: Friday 04 November 11 13:29 GMT (UK) »
I find Arthur Warwick inBeechwood Burial Index, OT-96-08
If you contact the Ottawa History Society, they may have more information.
I didn't see Dorothy there.

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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #28 on: Friday 04 November 11 15:11 GMT (UK) »
Yes vbain that was posted twice already....The poster's only interests were in the marriage details...which Pastmagic has posted, Thanks ...which still leaves some doubt as to whether or not is the correct lady although correct name for father...although people adopt names, and she was an actress.
I just do not get why the original wife would still call herself "Mrs." Beament...Mind you I suppose that is the media's name for her...and why there is no divorce to be found. ( husband a lawyer)  >:(
Here is the paper from the next day
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=QBJtjoHflPwC&dat=19380527&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #29 on: Friday 04 November 11 15:51 GMT (UK) »
U.S. Social Security Death Index for  Possible Eleonore Beament
Eleonore
last name:   Beament
birth date:   15 September 1902
social security number:   116-32-2833
place of issuance:   New York
zip code of last residence:   XX953
death date:   June 1977
estimated age at death:   75
If this is correct , divorce might have been in the US. In those days it was very usual for women to keep their married name after a divorce, - think of Wallis Simpson - especially if they had children. No sign of UK divorce in National Archives UK
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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #30 on: Friday 04 November 11 17:24 GMT (UK) »
Great find on the marriage.

The SSDI record shows that Eleanor died in Canada.

Eleonore Beament. Born 15 September 1902 and died June 1977.
Last Residence:   953  (U.S. Consulate), Canada
SSN issued:   New York (1958-1959)

She is listed as Marie Eleanore Beoment (correct spelling) in the Beechwood Cemetery Registers.
Not much more information - except she was cremated. (see cremation 2082 is all it said

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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #31 on: Friday 04 November 11 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all the help.

Do you think that 'Dorothy Vivienne Wisbey' and 'Dorothy Violet Wisbey' are one and the same person? It may be that Violet thought that 'Vivienne' might be a little more sophisticated than the very English 'Violet'. I guess the only way to find out would be to see a copy of the marriage certificate - am I correct in thinking this is not possible in Canada? Dorothy would have been thirty-five in 1938 so there would be the chance of having children but this appears unlikely.

It is possible that she may have been married between 1924 and 1938 but, again, the marriage certificate would be be the only source I suppose. There does not seem to be a newspaper report on the marriage.

I guess we are coming to the end of the line!! Thanks for all your ideas

Tony Randall

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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #32 on: Friday 04 November 11 18:01 GMT (UK) »
We can't speculate for you...It looks as good to us as it does to you... ;D That's why we need marriage certs... and never a guarantee that the full info will be on them either...
Marriages are only available to the public up to 1929, so in 9 years?
Marriage Registrations after 1930 are held by the Office of the Registrar General.
Contact:
Office of the Registrar General
189 Red River Road
P.O. Box 4600
Thunder Bay, Ontario
Canada P7B 6L8
Tel: 416-325-8305
1-800-461-2156 (toll-free in Ontario)

Good find, Sandra...
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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #33 on: Friday 04 November 11 18:21 GMT (UK) »
Can't find the marriage in the UK, so maybe it is Canada. The Vivienne/Violet thing is not uncommon, plenty of people in the UK were called one name and christened another. With the amount of travelling her husband did it could have been anywhere, and sometimes people in that type of work got married in Consulates, so its hard to trace.

Can't find anything else, so good luck!
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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 16 November 11 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tony

I've arrived at this post a little late but had only just spotted the Beament connection & whilst reading through the replies realised that Arthur Warwick is a descendant of one of my ancestors who had vanished from the census.

Just wondered if you had managed to discover if Dorothy Violet is the one who married Arthur Warwick Beament.

If I can help with the Beament's I'll be glad to, now I have to do more digging for myself. ;)

Maddie
Beament, Hertfordshire, Middlesex, Canada, USA.
Brown, Herts & Berkshire
Hester, Oxfordshire
Wise, Berkshire
Dwight, Buckinghamshire
Warrell/Worrel, Bucks & Herts
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Re: Dorothy Violet Wisbey
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 17 November 11 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Maddie

Have not managed to progress this marriage. Have to take a break from it for a while but if anything bubbles up I will let you know.

Tony Randall