No help on Europe forum, can someone help in the UK.

[LEP1950]

Dear Cartinthian girl,

The Standesamt address you've given is only if you yourself want to get married. I gave John the link above as it's the address to apply for "Urkunden" (documents).
It's the father who has "diss" next to his name. What looks like "ff" is "ss". I can't quite make out what it says next to the mother although I can generally read Sütterlin handwriting, but I think it means "evangelisch". But I wouldn't put my hand in the fire for it!! The first letter is not a "k", but looks like a Sütterlin small 'e' and "keine Konfession" would be abbreviated "k.K" (one small 'k' and one large 'K') and they look a bit different. As I said above, this certificate was issued for a baptism.

Dear John,

It seems like several people are trying to help you, but you are not reacting. Should we still keep searching?

LEP 1950

[Redroger]

Hi KGarrad,
Actually have records from Britain, marriage death etc. Problem is Germany. I have posted for help on the euro forum and have not one reply for two weeks. Already, on this forum four people have replied within half an hour. I assumed that having the birth cert, somebody with a German interest may help. Do they have census's do they have marriage records, is there a forum that people are aware of that I may get some help?
Kind Regards,
John

Sometimes we have to be very patient. I have had replies to questions more than a year after I made the original post!

[LEP1950]

Hi again John,

Have found out a little bit more about the records in Kiel. The town archives (Stadtarchiv) hold
birth registers older than 110 years, marriage registers older than 80 years and death registers older than 30 years.
More recent records are in the Standesamt (registry office) in Kiel.
 A copy of a certificate costs 7,40 euros, but if you want them to do a search for you without giving them exact information, the fee quoted is 12,50 euros for fifteen minutes. This is not cheap, but seems similar to other places.
You can, of course, search the records in the town archives yourself for free in the Lesesaal (reading room) and take photos with a digital camera. Apparently there are staff there to help.
So if you fancy a trip to Kiel...
 Opening times are Monday and Tuesday from 8.30am  to 4pm and Thursday from 8.30am to 6pm.

LEP 1950

[carinthiangirl]

dear LEP1950
"More recent records are in the Standesamt (registry office) in Kiel. "
what i have given the link....

i also can read generally Sütterlin, Kurrent and so on (learned some also at school) because i´m german-lingual and live in a german-lingual country. have many of my ancestors documents in handwrittings.
http://homepage.univie.ac.at/walter.dietrich/deutsche.html

at religion of the mother think is  - how i stated kK = shortened "keine Konfession".
evangelische Konfession would be shortened in this way > evang.
a Standesamt always has - as the registry-office for all - the files for birth, marriages and deaths. possible the one you stated is an central archive. but normally also this Standesamt directly must have it. i know it in no other way in Germany and Austria.

in fact it is the same you have given this other link
under below See also:/Siehe auch:
Standesamt Kiel Geburtsurkunde online anfordern
Kiel registry office to request birth certificate online
http://www.standesamt.com/Standesamt-Kiel/Geburtsurkunde-anfordern-4524
Contact: http://www.standesamt.com/Standesamt-Kiel/4524
http://www.kiel.de/rathaus/service/index.php?tsaid_page=detail&tsaid_ID=8967391&tsaid_CLASS=Lebenslage&QRY_ID=9529600&calling_page=&tsaid_dclp=579700d5a41c3bf77969766ca076d536
click on >> E-Mail Kontakt aufnehmen for getting online-contact-formular -
but better how i stated in postings before > http://www.hochzeit-in-sh.de/Standesamt-Kiel/Standesamt-Kiel.html
here you can directly contact a person of this office about e-mail.

[johnabbots1]

Dear LEP1950, Carinthiangirl and Apwright,
Thanks ever so much for your help in my quest to understand more about my German Ancestors, I really can't believe the efforts that you have all made.

I have just been reading all your comments and the info is certainly helpful. I would love to visit Kiel LEP1950, the only issue being that I have recently emigrated from London to Sydney Aus.
I have not been at my computer for 2 days as I have been up to Queensland for work. Please, please keep up your search, there is an obvious time lag (its midnight here now), but I check the site everyday and again I am so thankful for the help.
I aim to contact the Standesamt for any info they may hold, I will keep you up to date with any response. Thanks for the links LEP/Carinthiangirl, I have spent many an hour searching the web for any info on records held in Kiel, with absolutley no luck at all. Hopefully the Standesamt or Stadtarchiv may hold something relevant.
I have also been given an Impchlein Cert (Vacc. Cert, I think) any ideas what it maybe for? See attached. Thanks all..

[LEP1950]

Dear John,

Have only got a minute as I have to go out. I presume you mean "Impfschein", but I couldn't see one attached. Scan in anything you have. We might be able to find clues in the documents.
By the way, the person who got 11 documents from the "Stadtarchiv" said they were very accommodating regarding the price. I take this to mean that they didn't charge the full amount.

Dear Carinthian girl,

I'm sorry if you feel "angegriffen", I didn't mean to offend you and I'm sure you want to help like I do. I, too, am bilingual and have spent almost all my life in Berlin. Although I'm interested in old forms of German handwriting and can usually read them - at least until 1800 (only difficulty sometimes being surnames), I am having difficulty deciphering the religion of the mother. But I don't think the abbreviation kK would be written together. It's not one word. I wondered whether the official was mixing letters. Mostly, he uses a Latin "e", but the second letter of "Henriette" looks a bit similar to the beginning of the religion. I thought (was hoping) it was an "e" followed by a fancy "v", which would mean that a baptism might be found in the church archives. If the first letter were a "k", could the second one be the open "a" usual in Sütterlin and mean "katholisch"? Admittedly, this wouldn't be the usual abbreviation as the "th" would be missing. I would really be interested in finding out what it stands for.
Gruss,
LEP 1950

[apwright]

I'd say the mother's religion does indeed read "ev." for evangelisch. It's a pretty common Kurrent & Sütterlin "v" form in my experience - same loop at the bottom as the "y" in "Anny". If it were "k.K." the word "Religion" should be crossed out as it is for the father - though of course the registrar could simply have forgotten to delete it.

Das Adressbuch der Stadt Kiel 1914 lists one F. Karl Friedrich Höpner, ship's rigger (Takler), living at Rathausstr. 1, who could be Anny's father.
http://forum.ahnenforschung.net/showthread.php?t=15814

It also lists 2 civic officials (father & son?) called Barckhausen, Friedrich G.B. and Otto G.F. residing at Friesenstr. 9. Your registrar is possibly Otto, though the second initial in the signature is a "V" - perhaps they were von Barckhausen.

The Impfgesetz (Vaccination Law) of 1874 (still in force in the 1960s according to one I've found on the net!) required parents/guardians to keep the Impfscheine of their children as proof they had been vaccinated, and they were fined if this was not done. Schools were obliged to check that each child's vaccinations were up to date.
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Impfgesetz

Adrian

[carinthiangirl]

> If the first letter were a "k", could the second one be the open "a" usual in Sütterlin and mean "katholisch"? Admittedly, this wouldn't be the usual abbreviation as the "th" would be missing. <
don´t think someone wrote ka for a catholic confession. have never seen in a german-lingual country. normally is written then r.k. or röm.kath. and also in Germanys north catholic people very rare.  most in Germanys south to find.
now we will see what  johnabbots1 will find out. hope he will tell us his findings specially also about the confession of this ancestors, so we can get light into darkness of the old handwritings.   

[LEP1950]

That was a good find in the address book, Adrian!! I'd tried to find something myself but I only found address books that were much more recent. I wonder what the "F" stands for? I don't think people were called Florian and Fabian in those days! I can only really  think of Franz, Ferdinand, Friedhelm or a northern name like Frithjof (??). You don't think the 'F' could just be 'Firma' do you? There are quite a few Karl-Friedrichs on familysearch.org, but no one with an 'F' in front of the name. I think it's very likely that you have found Anny's father, but, of course, he may have been her grandfather and the young married couple (Bruno and Anny) took over the grandparents'  home.

Google.de refuses to come up with any "VON  Barckhausen" !!! The name seems to be Barckhausen.

By the way, John, what is the Rathausstraße in Kiel today is not what you need if you want to know where your ancestors lived. Apparently, today's Rathausstraße has only been called that since 1936 and was previously the "Gasstraße". The previous Rathausstraße was built in 1902 and is in the district of Gaarden-Süd and Kronsburg. Since 1936 it's been called "Oldesloer Straße". I don't know whether the house numbers have remained the same.

I think we'd all love to know how you get on. I'm always getting involved with other people's ancestors, mainly because I have hit a massive brick wall with my own great-great-grandfather, who just suddenly appears out of nowhere. My only consolation is that I've managed to get back to 1654 with another line.

So, post all the info you have!!

LEP 1950