Jenkins research - What to do when the information just doesn't add up

[Clare1]

I am currently trying to research my great grandfather and great grandmother.  I have some information about my grandparents, but nothing is adding up.  Can any one tell me where I'm going wrong.

Grandfather: George Jenkins - born 5th Sept 1907 in London, death 13th January 1988 in Buxton (according to Certified Copy of an Entry of Death). 
You would think this would be enough to nail down his birth certificate, however, I am torn between - Ernest George Jenkins, Jul-Aug-Sep 1907, Southwark, Greater London, London, Vol 1d, Page: 75 (my family has a habit of using middle names) and George Jenkins, Jul-Aug-Sep 1907, Camberwell, Greater London, London, Surrey, Vol. 1d, Page: 885.  I have no proof that either is correct.

My Grandfather had a sister Phoebe George (nee Jenkins).  There is an entry for Ruth Phoebe George that seems good, but this might be a smoke screen.  I can't decide whether she was born after or before him.  I believe she married Jason E. George in April 1954, so I would assume that she is a lot younger or this is a second marriage.  This was the only Phoebe Jenkins to marry a George I can find, so I presume it is correct.  I don't know of any other siblings.

My Great Grandfather was also named George Jenkins - death 19th March 1954 in Lambeth Hospital.  I have no information on my Great Grandmother.

Even if I ordered the certificates I feel are right, I won't know for sure that I have taken the correct path.

Am I going about this the wrong way.....Am I missing the obvious.....Where too from here.....

Sorry for rambling.  I would appreciate all your thoughts.

Clare.   

[cati]

Have you been able to find George on the 1911 census? 

Do you have his marriage certificate?


Cati

[Clare1]

Hi Cati,

I have George (we''ll call him Junior) marriage certificate to Winifred Atkin.  This provides information regarding George Jenkins (senior) who was a factory engineer and Winifred's father Aaron Atkin who was a farmer.  Dated August 1935. 

I find the 1911 census doesn't provide the names of the people in the dwelling, just the total of females/males, address etc and with George Jenkins being a popular name, its impossible.  Maybe I'm approaching the census information wrongly.

Hmmmm.

I only have George Jenkins (senior) death certificated registered 19th March 1954.

I have a photocopy of something else, I presume to be a copy of a passport or maybe visa.  It has a serial number RCMK 319.1 in the name of George Jenkins.  It contains a National Registration RCM stamp dated 4 JN 43.  I believe this could possibly belong to George Jenkins (Junior) as the address is Bole Hill Farm in Chinley and I don't believe George (Senior) left the london area.  Something that I found interesting, although small fact, he signed his name Geo, which I am lead to believe is an abbreviation for George, which I didn't know.  There you go...

Clare.

[cati]

I think you are looking at the index to the 1911 census (which is free) rather than the census returns themselves (which you have to pay to view)

Does George junior's marriage cert give an age? Or is it one of the unhelpful 'over 21' ones?

You could order one of the possible birth certs specifying that you only want it if the fayjer's name is George.

And yes, Geo, is short for George.

Cati

[carol8353]

As well as an age on George jnr's marriage cert,who were the witnesses- they often turn out to be useful siblings of the bride or groom.

George snr who died in Lambeth in 1954 was aged 84,so born about 1870.

Carol

[Ringrose]

From the summary books on Ancestry from the 1911 census it is possible to find the actual copy of the census .This was discussed in the last couple of weeks on roots chat and the method given really works.Try looking back using unread messages and I think you will find the link,
Ringrose

[lizdb]

Might be worth looking to see if Great grandfather (dying in 1954) left a will. Might give clues about all his offspring.
That together with his year of birth (that carol noted from his death register) and his occupation (from sons marriage cert) will hopefully lead you to the right family on 1911 census.
Remember you can buy just a few credits on the 1911 census site, if youdont have a subscription to a site giving full and easy access to the1911 census. 

[carol8353]

One thing I did think of earlier was that he seems rather old to have been having a son in 1907 (37) so maybe the daughter Phoebe was older,and perhaps he'd been married before?

Carol