Elford- Titmus

[Cleo]

Does anyone have any information on a marriage which took place in Fareham in 1910 between Charlotte Elford and Joseph Titmus?  I believe Charlotte may be a niece of my ancestor, Charlotte Huntley, nee Pharoah  - I found her on the 1911 census under Charlotte Litmus.  If anyone has any information I would be very gratedful.  Thanks.

[KGarrad]

FreeBMD has this:

December qtr 1910
Fareham district    vol 2b, page 1264

Elford, Charlotte
+ and on the same page +
Titmus, Joseph

[Ladyhawk]

FreeBMD has this:

December qtr 1910
Fareham district    vol 2b, page 1264

Elford, Charlotte
+ and on the same page +
Titmus, Joseph

No details on family search 

marriages for Farnham only go to  1900 http://www.knightroots.co.uk/

Was Charlotte T(L)itmus nee Elford a nurse ?

1901 RG13; Piece: 1014; Folio: 156; Page: 4
County Lunatic Asylum Fareham
Lottie ELFORD age 22 (1879) Portsmouth Hampshire  Nurse

Possibly with her mother

1891 RG12; Piece: 854; Folio 42; Page 25
Charlotte Elford 13 & William 11 Portsmouth Step dau./son
mother Agnes MAYHEW 32  married to John,  Rebecca 9, John 7

1881 RG11; Piece: 668; Folio: 22; Page: 6
1 Trafalgar Place London
Agnes Elford 22 Widow, Charlotte 2 William F 1 lodgers with Frank & Sarah Pinnam

Marriage 
Mar 1878 Portsea vol 2b page 708
William Elford
Name on same page
Agnes Benham PHAROAH

Mar 1882 Portsea vol 2b page 670
Agnes ELFORD
Name on same page
John MAYHEW

I believe Charlotte may be a niece of my ancestor, Charlotte Huntley, nee Pharoah

1871c  has sisters  Agnes B  (1859) & Charlotte E T(P)haroah together with parents Richard S & Eliza J living  in Portsea Hampshire

I think you may need to purchase Charlotte's marriage certificate to Joseph to confirm father’s name and hopefully this may connect to your ancestor Charlotte Huntley nee Pharoah

[Cleo]

Thank you so much for the information - Charlotte Titmus was in fact a mental nurse so I would assume that is  her in the 1901 census. 
If her maiden name is confirmed as Eldon then she is definitely the right person.  I cannot find proof of Charlotte Pharoah's birth (1856) to confirm her mother's name, although I am fairly sure it is Eliza Bowers.  However if Charlotte Titmus (Charlotte P's niece) turns out to be the daughter of Agnes Benham Pharoah and William Elford then Charlotte P and Agnes are indeed sisters and it will be a major breakthrough.
As you said I think I will have to purchase the marriage certificate.   
Thanks again.

[Ladyhawk]

I cannot find proof of Charlotte Pharoah's birth (1856) to confirm her mother's name, although I am fairly sure it is Eliza Bowers. 

Mmm….no middle name when she married Sep 1876 Portsea Charlotte Pharoah to Alfred Huntley - Do you have the marriage certificate to confirm her father's name?

Could this be her birth entry

Charlotte Ellen PHAROAH
Oct 1856 Portsea Island Hamsphire Vol 2b page 389

Death entry 1927 Portsmouth
Charlotte E Huntley  age 70 (1857)

Charlotte Ellen Huntely of 206 Sultan Road Portsmouth widow
Died 17 April 1927 probabte 14/5/1927 Salisbury to Frederick
William Matthews motor driver H M Dockyard Effects £175 8s 5d

If it does turn out to be the same family here they are on 1861c

1861 RG9; Piece: 642; Folio: 102; Page: 17- surname transcribed as CHARVAT
RJ PHAROAH 27 Grocer & milkman
Eliza Jane 25
Rd J 7
Harriet 6
Charlotte 4 Portsea Hampshire
Agnes 2 Portsea Hampshire
Frederick 1

birth entry
Agnes Benham PHAROAH
Jun 1858 Portsea vol 2b page 389

marriage
Richard Jabez PHAROAH
Eliza Jane BOWERS
23 Aug 1852 St Mary’s Portsea Hampshire

All christened 12/8/1860 St. Mary’s Portsea Hampshire
Parents Richard Jabez PHAROAH & Eliza
Harriet Eliza bn 3/2/1853
Frederick Jabez
Richard John

details from family search - nothing for Agnes or Charlotte 

[Cleo]

Thanks so much for the extra information - I do have the marriage certificate and Charlotte's father is just given as Richard Pharoah, carpenter, again no middle initials and a different trade.

However, the address of 206 Sultan Road is correct which means that Charlotte Ellen is indeed the correct person - I had thought that Richard Jabez Pharoah was probably her father but until now had no evidence to back it up.
 
I can now send for the birth and death certificates with confidence they are for the right person.

Can you tell me where you got the information on the probate from please?
Thanks again for helping me out - it has been a stumbling block for a while - it's great to eventually get past it.

[Ladyhawk]

Thanks so much for the extra information - I do have the marriage certificate and Charlotte's father is just given as Richard Pharoah, carpenter, again no middle initials and a different trade.

Can you tell me where you got the information on the probate from please?

Strange that his occupation if given as Carpenter I havn't come across a Richard Pharoah with that occupation  This looks to be Richard with his parents

1851 HO107; Piece: 1659; Folio: 571; Page: 35 – transcribed as JONOAH
Richard Pharoah 1834  with siblings & parents John 1812  occ Dairyman & Harriett 1810 (died 1857) - 1861 & 1871c John Pharoah 1812 Dairyman/Master (remarried  1858) wife Jane

1871c Richard T(P)haroah occ. Dairyman Master addition of two children Martha 1866 & Emily 1870

1881c Emily S (Sarah) & Richard 1834 married occ. Excavator   visiting Jemima Meacey in Wiltshire
Richard's wife Emily, sons Richard, Frederick & dau Martha living Surrey 1881

Eliza Jane Pharoah (1828) died 1889 Guildford Surrey

Richard Jabez Pharoah remarries 1889 Portsea Island Sarah Rosetta Eyers (1844 Harting Essex)

1901c RG13; Piece: 986; Folio: 62; Page: 25 - Richard occ Dairyman

Richard Jabez Pharoah (1834) died 1908 Croydon Surrey

The probate details were from An*****y - here's Richard's

Richard Jabez Pharoah of Frances Cottage 165 High Street Colliers Wood Merton in the county of Surrey died 7/11/1908 Admins. (with Will) London 25/1 to Martha Jane Marsh (wife of George William) Effects £63 15s 11d

Not on the same page number (Free BMD)
Martha Jane Pharoah Dec 1884 Kingston 2a 577
George William Marsh Dec 1884 Kingston 2 a 557 (looking at the original middle number partial but looks as if it could be a 7)

[Cleo]

Thanks for the information = I think Richard Pharoah was a master of all trades - doing whichever job he could get! 
It's certainly an interesting family.  Thanks again for your help.

[Mark2021]

Joseph titmus is my great grandfather ,I have a birth certificate for his daughter Vera may titmus and her mother is Charlotte Eliza titmus  formally elford.I have a birth certificate for Charlotte that shows her farther was William Alford and mother was Agnes Alford formally Pharoah,I also have the marriage certificate for William and Agnes his farther was George Elford and hers was Richard Pharoah