Wenzel

[tempogold]

Emma ,Ida and Lena Wenzel came from Germany with their parents about 1908/9 to London. All 3 girls I understand worked for a family called Appenrodes---spelling may be wrong. Ida marries Ernest R Bliss in 1910 and remains in London( i have their details) but the rest of the family return to Germany on the outbreak of the first world war and in 1950 are in Hanover.

Would like to find the records of them coming and leaving the country --also more about the location of the Jewish family they worked for . Would appreciate thoughts on how to take forward.

Many Thanks

[Jeuel]

I can't see anything on Ancestry for Appenrode/s so I think you might need to see if you can get more idea of the spelling.  I'm guessing this family would be living in a town.  Do you have the Wenzel parents' names?  Have you found them on 1911 census?

[jorose]

freebmd shows the marriage in Wandsworth in 1910 (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com - search for Ernest as Ida is misindexed).

Unfortunately the records of incoming and outgoing passengers generally do not include records for ships sailing within Europe (although sometimes passengers are listed when they were on ships that stopped at European ports on their way to somewhere else).  Depending on which port they left from in Europe, there may be records on the departure side of them leaving the area.

There are some bmd records for the surnames Appenroth and Appenrodt.  The Appenrodts ran a delicatessen, or a chain of delicatessens; the same family seem to have had a Paris branch, which was looted in 1914 (anti-German sentiment running thick - the NY article someone links to there says Herman Appenrodt was a British citizen with multiple stores in England so they could have worked for him:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/5940191232/

[tempogold]

very many thanks for this. I suspect the sisters may have other names which is why I can not find them on the 1911 census. Have send for Idas marriage cert in the hope of finding her fathers name.

Once again many thanks to you both.

[carol8353]

  There is a marriage in 1897 in Lambeth of a Beda Ida Minnie Wenzel to an Ernest Kent.One of the witnesses was a Gertrude Wenzel.

They appear together in 1901 he's a cellarman and she's born in Germany.
However 10 years later she's born in Lambeth 

Don't if that's any use? Her father is a bootmaker called Joseph.

Keep her on the back burner perhaps?

Gertrude Margt Juliana Wenzel marries in 1898 to a Henry George Searle,father also Joseph Wenzel bootmaker,so probably not the Emma you need. Oh well 

Scrap all that I've just re-read that they didn't arrive here till 1908/9 

Carol

[Herts Heart]

Hi

For your notebook

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1025&iid=BT_900057_BOX05_1907_JUL_001-00056&fn=H&ln=Appenrodt&st=r&ssrc=&pid=88185701

H Appenrodt
"Importer of Continental Table Delicacies"
1907
Tel: Gerrard 8629
1 Coventry Street
442 Strand
259 Regent Street

I'm sorry that I could not find a website.   

 

[Herts Heart]

Hi (again)

You don't suppose that a similarly-named Wenzel bakery has anything to do with them?

[tempogold]

Don't know will have to ask in the family--not easy as memories are fogy . Many thanks for everyones help.

[tempogold]

 Just an update. I now have Ida and Ernest Roberts marriage cert. Her father was Robert Hugo Wenzel  ,a glass blower. As only 111 Wenzels on the 1911 census and no trace I am begining to think they may already have returned to Germany--and not as the story was told to us just before the 1st World War.Thanks for all the help.