Jacob Davies Rhosllanercrugog

[Gadget]

Same paper -

Saturday 24 Nov 1877

Death
Nov 12, aged 50, after a short illness of half an hour, Mary, the beloved wife of Mr Jacob Davies, brick manufacturer of Flint, formerly of Plas yn Clawdd farm near Ruabon


gnu

and various other bits and pieces

[despair]

Just a final highly speculative thought for today:-

The 1851 census HO107 2503 287 15
which presumably has the right Jacob Davies features a mysterious(?) "lodger" Job Edwards 1 month,who appears unrelated to the other two occupants(if he is Mary Parry's child somehow would they put them in this order?)I cannot seen a Job birth only(boy) Edwards.With Job being a "Jacoby" kind of name what if his first "partner" is Mary Edwards masquerading as Davies with their child(registered or not at this stage?),though why wouldn't they call him Job Davies for the enumerator?
Perhaps Edwards is a family connection somewhere and if he is unrelated to the head of the household he could only be a visitor or lodger.

Roger

[Lolly Willowes]

Thanks everyone for the new and fascinating lines of enquiry. Am about to start following them up.
Lolly

[Lolly Willowes]

Looking through the Wrexham Advertiser has proved very useful. John Davies married Elizabeth Davies - hence Albert in 1881 living with John in Kearsley could indeed be a brother in law. I've also found the marriage of Mary Anne in 1875 (who was missing from both family addresses in 1871). There are other interesting bits of social history involving Jacob, so he's really come alive for me. I've sent for various certificates to try to clear up remaining puzzles.
Just 1 query: are you saying that Mary definitely ISN'T the one first discussed (ie the Blackwell index one posted by despair 26 October)? and that she's more likely daughter of Edward Wright butcher (gnu posted 27 Oct)? - I wasn't clear what you were saying about the IGI.
Thanks again for opening this up for me.

[Gadget]

Hi Lolly

Glad you managed to get all the refs to Jacob in the Wrexham Advertizer - my typing fingers got a bit sore with all the entries 

My ref to Mary Wright,  daughter of Edward,  was that the IGI entry was a submitted entry  so I confirmed it via the parish records. Her father on those was Edward Wright, Butcher. I've not trace Edward and Elizabeth but if you'd like, I'll check up on them later 

The IGI submitted entries could be accurate or they might well be a product of someone's imagination as they are just what they say - they could be submitted by anyone - and need to be verified by other sources.  The IGI entries that are trustworthy are the 'extracted' series which have a letter in theire Batch number ref - usually an M, P or C but can be other letters.

I recall a long correspondence ( a few years ago) with someone about the Ruabon Wrights who might have been linked to some of my ancestors - I don't think they were though!


gnu

Added - a couple of links to the IGI and submitted records

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,326224.0.html

https://help.familysearch.org/kb/UserGuide/en/fsbeta/search/c_search_international_genealogical_index.html

[Lolly Willowes]

Yes, please, if you've time - would be good to have info re Edward & Elizabeth. Thanks

[Gadget]

Edward (butcher) and Elizabeth Wright had the following children baptised at Ruabon:

27 July 1823    William. Abode - Newbridge
17 Nov 1824   John. Abode - Newbridge
  6 July 1826    Joseph. Abode -  Cefnmawr   
20 Jan 1828    Mary . Abode Cefnmawr

Newbridge and Cefnmawr were part of the newly formed (1844) parish of Rhosymedre.

I'm wondering if the 'born Rhos' for Mary on one or two of the censuses might mean Rhosymedre rather than Rhosllanerchrugog. Although the latter is the one that is usuallly referrred to locally as Rhos. I've not heard of Rhosymedre called just Rhos.

I don't, at the moment, see a marriage for Edward and Elizabeth in Ruabon. Maybe neither of them were of Ruabon but moved in later. 

There's a family in Cefnmawr in 1851 ( HO107/2503/176/49 )which is tempting  but I'm not convinced it's them - Edward is a warp man, which doesn't fit with being a butcher earlier in life and thes don't quite fit. None of the children appear in the Anglican Church records of either Ruabon or Rhosymedre.

Throwing this in the pot for consideration -

Baptism, Ruabon 12 Sept 1830 - ElizabethDavies/Wright, illegitimate daughter of Edward Wright and Sarah Davies, both servants. Edward of Plasbenion and Sarah of Pontadam.

I'm hoping to get sight of the Rhosllanerchrugog records later this week.


gnu

[Lolly Willowes]

Certificates: Albert born 1865 Ponkey parents Jacob + Mary formerly Wright. So that's OK.  But the Liverpool marriage at St Peter's is dubious, probably wrong. Although the fathers' names match, both are described as labourers and Jacob Davies is a mariner. Both he and Mary are living in Vauxhall Road, which is near the docks. Jacob signed with his mark, which seems unlikely given his business and other activities. The witnesses don't have family names. So we're back to the mystery of their marriage, I think.

[Harry Crate]

From Denbighshire baptisms, Davies:


Louisa          4 Aug 1822  Jacob and Mary Labourer   Chirk
William Walter  6 Jul 1823  Jacob and Mary Brickmaker Acrefair
Obadiah        17 Oct 1824  Jacob and Mary Brickmaker Chirk
Mary Anne      18 Feb 1827  Jacob and Mary Brickmaker Acrefair
Jacob           2 Aug 1829  Jacob and Mary Brickmaker Acrefair
Belafina        7 Feb 1836  Jacob and Mary Brickmaker of Acrefair - I suspect this is the mysterious Isabella