Jacob Davies Rhosllanercrugog

[Lolly Willowes]

I'd really appreciate an expert looking at this and telling me if I'm making wrong connections. I'm looking for my gggfather in Denbighshire. The details from different census returns vary & place names in particular shift around.
He is Jacob Davies b Rhos Ruabon abt 1831 (1861 census) - family names match so I'm sure this is him. (He moved around between 53-9  according to the birthplaces of his children - Ireland 53, Staffs 55-9, then back to Rhos in 1859)
Can't find him in 1841.
In 1851 I think he's the JD brickmaker b Ruabon abt 1828 married to Mary living at Near River, Morton Above.
In 1871 the only likely JD in the area is at Plas yn Clawdd, Gardden, Ruabon, age 41 (b abt 1830) with 3 younger children, no wife. But now he is a 'farmer' b  Acrefair Denbighshire. Is this a likely job change/location?
In 1881 it's possible he's the JD who is a widower & a brick manufacturer. Says he was b RHOSAMEDRE Flint abt 1831. He is now living in Kearsley, Bolton with son John age 25 brickburner b Rhosllanercrugog (a ditto so a possible mistake? other census returns say Staffs) abt 1856. Another son did move to the lancashire coalfields via Bolton, so there is a link.
I can't find him in 1891, nor can I find a death record.
Can anyone advise whether I am getting this right? Thanks.

[Gadget]

Hi Lolly 


 I have a baptism for a Jacob Davies in the Ruabon parish records:

2 Augist 1829 Jacob  s/o John Davies (brickmaker) and Mary. Abode - Acrefair.

This would fit with your 1851, I'm not too sure about the 1871 and 1881 ones.  The 1841 census for the area is missing.

Morton Above was Rhosllanerchrugog,  a way from Acrefair.

See map here ~

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fx0/


I'll see if I can find anything more.



gnu

[Gadget]

Hi again

Have you found a marriage for him to Mary?  I've checked through the North Wales BMD and the GRO index and don't see a likely one so far 


gnu

[Lolly Willowes]

Hi.
Thanks, that's helpful. I have no marriage record (know Mary's name from son Jacob's birth cert). And I didn't have a birth record for the elder Jacob - it's very possible he's the one you have found. (Can I access that record on line?)
Your help is much appreciated.

[Gadget]

Hi

What was Mary's maiden name on the birth certificate?  I might be able to locate her if I knew her surname.

The Ruabon records aren't online - film of the original records can be viewed at local archives and at the National Library at Aberystwyth and booklets of transcribed records are available from Clwyd FHS:

http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/registers/index.html


gnu

[Lolly Willowes]

She was Mary Wright - son JACOB b 10 DECEMBER 1859 RHOS RUABON.
Thanks for the info re local history records.

[Gadget]

Hi again

In 1861 they are in Rhos (Morton Above):
RG09/4283/14/48

Jacob Davies, 30, Brick Manufacturer employing 6 men and 9 boys, b. Rhos
Mary, 33, b. -do-
Louisa, 8, b. Ireland
Mary Ann, 6, b. Staffs
John, 4, b. -do-
Elizabeth, ,3 b. -do
Jacob, 1, b. Denbs
Isabella, sister, unm 23, b. Denbs


I think you have this from what you say but it's worth listing for others to see.  It seems the same family as the 1871 where he's a farmer.

Will have a look for Isabella.


gnu

[Gadget]

The 1871 at  RG10/5652/58/4  and the 1881 at RG11/3816/109/2, where Jacob is with his son, John in Bolton, b. Rhosymedre that you've found, seem to be the same family as the 1861 one.  I wonder why he decided to be a farmer in 1871    Also, he's down as married in 1871 but I don't see Mary at the moment.

gnu

[Lolly Willowes]

Yes, I had the 1861 and that is really the basis for thinking the others are right - even though there are 1 or 2 small discrepancies. It's odd that Mary isn't on the 1871... I'm glad you agree that 71 & 81 seem like matches. The brick manufacturing was the clincher for me.
Do appreciate your thoughts.