1851 Census McLean Family Glasgow

[MonicaL]

Hi Mannering

What occupation was shown for father William on the two 1850s marriage certs you have down in Cornwall?

Monica

[mannering]

Hi Alison .

Thankyou for your responce to my posting I appreciate any help I can get , in answer to your questions I only found out the childrens names when I saw the 1841 Gorbals Census and on this it shows a ten day old baby McLean  boy yet to be given a Christian name ,I therefore wanted to check out the 1851 Census to find out what name he was given and if any other children came along . However I discovered the family had moved and I could not locate them and have not done so since . Having said that two children did move south into England and ended up in Cornwall the first was William oldest son 1824-1910 I found him on the 1851 census he later married Francis Luke in Cornwall 5th July 1853 and his Brother William my GGrandfather came to Cornwall about 1857-9 as he also married 13th August 1859  and settled here with his wife Jane Tremain to make matters more confusing he was known as Joseph even though recorded as William in the Scottish records which I have  . I believe these two were the only members of my family to leave Scotland and head for Cornwall I would love to find out what happened to their parents and other siblings .

Regards .

Mannering .

[MonicaL]

Maybe when you are next able to check Scottish records either at one of the Scottish centres or direct online at Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, you might want to double check the marriage cert of the Agnes McLean and Archibald Walker we were talking about earlier to be able to confirm her parents' names.

By 1881, this looks to be Agnes' entry (I can't tell from the transcript if she still shows as married or widowed):

Agnes Walker 38 b. Glasgow
William Walker 12
Archibald Walker 11
George Walker 7
James Walker 5
William McLean 42, brother, Iron borer b. Glasgow

Address: 89 Govanhill St, Glasgow Hutchesontown

I am not sure that your Joseph can be a William 

Monica

[mannering]

Hi Monica .

The 1853 Certificate states Williams Father was now a Labourer ,and the other certificate dated 1859 states he was now a Husbandman which was the same occupation as the son .




Regards .

Mannering

[mannering]

Monica .

I will certainly do some checking on this Agnes and her marriage to Archibald Walker to determine if she is indeed daughter of William and Elizabeth McLean thankyou for pointing me in this direction it is all getting very interesting .

Regards

Mannering .

[MonicaL]

OK, I admit, I am now hooked!

Agness McLean married Archibald, an iron turner, in 1863 Tradeston Glasgow. Parents William, English teacher and mother Elizabeth McTurk, both already deceased. One of the witnesses is William McLean. I am guessing this is her brother who we have living with her in 1871 and 1881.

Mannering, I hate to say this, given how much research and time you already have spent, but I do not think your links back to Scotland for your Joseph are accurate 

Monica

[mannering]

Monica .
 I thank you for your honesty and like all genealogists only want to deal in what is true and accurate for future generations to carry on with . In view of this revelation are we now saying Joseph McLean my GGrandfather may not be the son of William and Elizabeth McLean and should therefore be looking for the true parents of Joseph and his real  siblings .

I am very impressed the way you found Agnes Mclean Marriage to Archibald in Tradeston and comfirming her father was indeed an English Teacher which comfirms what was stated as his occupation in that 1841 Gorbals Census . I often wondered why one minute he was a teacher then  at another  wedding in Cornwall 12 years later he was referred to as a Labourer and then in 1859 he was mentioned as being a Husbandryman now I know . I have to be honest with you I was passed this information by someone in USA who must also have false imformation I knew my imformation from what I collated from present to my GGrandfather Joseph was accurate ,that was until I was given these other details and I added them to my details so maybe I should start looking for the real parents of Joseph and his siblings ,once again I appreciate your help and advice .

Regards .

Mannering








 
 

[MonicaL]

Mannering, it is always hard when you have spent a long time researching a line and then find, somewhere along the way, that there is an error on the research 

We need to try and see now where we can get to with Joseph and the other William (potential elder brother to Joseph?).

Is there anything on children's names that we could use for either Joseph or William - thinking here of any clues on mother's name to try and find any entries back in Scotland for 1841/51?

Monica

[mannering]

Monica I am glad you pointed this out to me I would rather these details be accurate than false I am a little annoyed that I did not check these details out before I included them within my family tree so the fault lies with me . I must admit I have spent a lot of time on my research and know from the material I have that my records  are  correct to presnt date and from when Joseph Married . I now have to start looking for his parents / siblings ,I know he was born in Glasgow around 1836 and he died in Cornwall 1907 I have seen the marriage entry for him when he married Jane Tremain on the 13th August 1859 at Illogan Church . We know his father was called William as this is on his Marriage certificate and stated his father was a Husbandman . The first child of Joseph and Jane was a boy who they named William 1859-1915 they went on to have  others the names are as follows Joseph , Robert Edwin, Margaret Jane, Samuel , John, Jane,Thomas . I often wondered where the Margaret Christian name came from could this be Williams mothers first name as she was the first Girl born to William and Jane and now you have pointed this revelation out to me I have not come across a child of theirs called Elizabeth and neither have I found any of the other generations doing so .

William McLean who I believe to be his brother 1824- 1910 married Francis Luke 5th July 1853 they in turn had the one child who was called William Mclean Christened at Tuckingmill Church Cornwall 1856 .

Regards .

Mannering .