1851 Census McLean Family Glasgow

[mannering]

Help required please . Can anyone help me locate my GGgrandparents William and Elizabeth McLean [Nee McTurk] they were living in Main Street Gorbals in the 1841 Census but must have moved , I believe them to be still living in the Glasgow Area around 1851 ,their children were William , George ,Robert Laurie, Janet Laurie ,Christina and Agnes .

Thankyou in anticipation .

Mannering .

[MonicaL]

Hi Mannering

This old post on another forum has William Snr. departing to the US c 1842. They talk of divorce (unlikely). Probably wife Elizabeth may have died before this date or maybe joined husband later? http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.mclean/1128/mb.ashx

Monica

[mannering]

Hello Monica .

Thankyou for responding to my posting and your help  . I am very interested in this theory of my GGGrandparets emigrating to USA around 1842 which would tie in with the lack of information I have on them in the UK . The posting by Joan in 2004 is correct William and Elizabeth had two sons named William one born in 1824 the other in 1836  along with other children . My direct line is with the William McLean born in 1836 . Would  you know of a site that I could search to see if I can locate them moving across to America as I think 1842  would have been to early  for them passing through Ellis Island .

Regards .

Mannering

[alicook]

Hi Mannering,

Did you find the children in 1851 census or later?

Did your William marry?


Alison

[MonicaL]

As Alison mentions, would be good to see what info you have William born 1836 to see whether these posts relating to the US can be confirmed.

I saw elsewhere mention of youngest Agnes b. 1839 having married in 1863 (17 July 1863 Tradeston, Glasgow) an Archibald Walker. Trying to find them in 1871 census brought up this entry:

Archibald Walker 32 iron turner, b. Rothesay, Bute
Agnes Walker 30 b. Glasgow
William Walker 3
Archibald Walker 8 Months
William Mclean 32 boarder Card Guider b. Glasgow

The marriage cert should include full details on her parents to let you confirm and whether they were still alive at the time of the marriage.

Could this 1861 entry be Agnes and William, all born Glasgow. Not sure who James may be, born c. 1840?

William Mclean 24, iron turner
James Mclean 21 brother, Confectioner
Agnes Mclean 22 sister, cotton winder
Jessie Stevenson 20 lodger

Address: 100 South Wellington St, Glasgow Govan

[MonicaL]

Certainly possible something happened to parents...but not convinced on the US angle really 

This was the family in 1841:

William Mclean 37, teacher
Elizbeth Mclean 37
George Mclean 14
Christiane Mclean 12
Robert Mclean 9
William Mclean 5
Agnes Mclean 2
 Mclean 10 Days....wondering whether this is James in later censuses?
Jane McLark (McTurk?) 24
John Leith 17 Months

Address: No 49-55 Main Street, Gorbals

Then for 1851, all the Mcleans showing as visitors:

Alexander Davison 38
Agnes Reid Davison 30
Constinnig Mclean 18...female/not sure what this transcription is for, Christianna/ina etc?
William Mclean 14
Agnes Mclean 11
James Mclean 18

Address: 9 Oxford Lane, Gorbals

Monica

[mannering]

Monica and Alison .

You are so kind thankyou for your help I really appreciate it as this brick wall has been with me for years . I to am not convinced of my McLean emigrating to America in 1842 but I do know later generations did in 1903 ,1922,1924 all from Cornwall UK and I am in contact with my American cousins . William and Elizabeth my GGGrandparents were living in Gorbals 1841 which you have identified Monica in your reply ,missing from the family was their oldest son William who would be about 17 years old .My research comfirms he ended up in Cornwall as I found him on the 1851 census working as a servant/ Coachman being single and working alongside his future wife Francis Luke who he married 5th July 1853 I found him to be the first and only member of my family in this 1851 Census ,I do have all relevant paperwork to comfirm marriage and deaths and I know the location of their grave . The second William born in 1836 was my GGrandfather he also came to Cornwall but not as early as his brother William I would imagine he came around 1857-9 as he also married in the same church as his brother on the 13th August 1859 to Jane Tremain I have the history of our McLean family from present day going back to 1804 with information I gleamed off that 1841 Census when they lived in Gorbals . I have been searching high and low for the rest of children of William and Elizabeth including themselves to see if they also moved to Cornwall but I cannot locate them at all so think they might have remained in Scotland . I think you might be right about the marriage of Agnes to Archibald and if your theory is correct it could prove they did remain in Scotland .

Kind regards

Mannering

[MonicaL]

Hi Mannering

OK to ask some questions on your William?

How have you connected the two Williams down in Cornwall? Do they both show father as William, occupation teacher (just going by that 1841 census entry)?

I would guess from the two entries for sons called William for William and Elizabeth, that it is likely the first son William, b. 1 Aug. 1824 in the Gorbals, is likely to have died and the name reused later with the second William in 1836 (this was common practice with important family first names). Only one William that we can see on the family's 1841 census entry.

Also, the William who married Jane Tremain down in Cornwall shows as Joseph in later censuses?

I know you have obviously done a huge amount of research already...just not sure of the links back to Scotland How have these been made? Can't see a birth location for Joseph in the censuses other than Scotland, am I missing an entry that shows him born in Glasgow?

Monica 

[mannering]

Monica .

On both of the marriage certificates for William born 1824 and also William Born 1836 they indicate their father was called William , you are correct my GGrandfather was referred to as Joseph but only once he came to Cornwall and married Jane Tremain confusing I know . I linked these two brothers through my research and came across an obituary for the first William McLean his  wife Francis  died November of 1910  three weeks after William himself died and I noticed even though my GGrandfather did not attend as he had passed away in 1907  two of his sons did with their respective wives and they were referred to as Nephews and Nieces . My research has also told me when both these brothers came to Cornwall in 1851 and 1859 both lived in Pool a little village between Camborne and Redruth and both obtained work as Coachmen to local well to do families . I personaly think my GGrandfather was enticed to Cornwall by his older brother and lived with him and his wife Francis until he himself married as marriage certificate stated he lived at Pool . As stated above my GG was referred to as Joseph on this Marriage  certificate and also throughout each census 1861- 1901 and on his death certificate ,but he was referred to as William on that 1841 Gorbals census . Going on a bit further I did visit Mitchel Library in Scotland back in 2003 while on holiday and met a lady who was most helpful I pointed out to her about this brickwall which I have and therefore she did some research for me and found relevant paperwork and sent it through to me ,I have this in front of me and I take it to be taken from parish records or similar as it was dated 1824 and clearly shows William McLean son of William McLean and Elizabeth McTurk in Laurieston  [FR744] , I have an entry of all their other children from then on as each was born, when I come to my own GGrandfather again clearly visible neat handwiting as in all cases which reads William McLean son of William McLean and Elizabeth McTurk born in Gorbals entry April 1836 . On readin the entries is says the children were born in either Laurieston or Gorbals so they did not move far. Feel free to ask any questions I appreciate all the help I can get Thankyou .

Regards .
Mannering .