Getting back to the 17th Century

[Redroger]

All too often the problem with TNA website is the site itself.Good luck.

[pinefamily]

Yes, if at first nothing comes up in your search, try different spellings etc.

[pinefamily]

Pinefamily, I  have taken a Y chromosome DNA test, so far without success in linking my male side of the family. After that length of time now 225 years there is no test known to me which would like me to my father's maternal ancestry, certainly not that far back. If it is the male side, then a Y DNA test is the only possibility I know of.

I did actually buy a test kit for just such a DNA test; never got around to doing it. I should see if they are still in business. Given the obvious origin of the Pine/Pyne family in Devon, I would think a positive test should come back; barring any shenanigans under the blankets of course!

[Redroger]

With a reported illegitimacy rate of 10%, plus research which I have been involved in "Dorset Bastards" showing lower rates in the early 18th century but increasing towards 10% by the end, this being the REPORTED rate remember I think while you might pin the origins to Devon you will be lucky to prove "Pine family" descent.

[pinefamily]

Yes, only the DNA test would go any way towards proving it.

[Redroger]

Yes, only the DNA test would go any way towards proving it.

Or not, as the case may be! With my experience I must say don't expect too much, but of course you might be lucky.

[pinefamily]

If you take the research I mentioned earlier in this thread, together with a name occurrence mapping exercise, all roads lead to Devonshire in this case. But as you say, there are many other factors to muddy the waters, eg illegitimacy, "misbehaving" wives etc. (I can't think of a more polite way to say it  )
Interestingly, in my studies of the various family groupings in Devon in the 19th century, I did find one occurrence thus far of illegitimacy (assumed at this stage), a son christened to a mother only. I haven't followed it up as its not on my family line.

[Redroger]

How about "naughty girls"? As Dorset is next county to Devon, and the trend towards 10% illegitimcacy seems strongest in the west, I think your finding will be very interesting.

[pinefamily]

Do you think the higher rate is due to the more rural nature of the west back then? Or is there some other factor?

I like "naughty girls".  The term that is.