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[liza99]

Hello

Is there anyone who would look up something a bit different at Stafford Record Office please?

I am interested in the Robinson families who were tenants on the Fitzherbert estates around 1800. The Fitzherberts were Roman Catholic and let to other Roman Catholics. I am stuck with my Robinson ancestry as there are no baptisms for those who were RC in parish records. I have some info from other sources but need to find out who lived exactly where.

Ref D641/5/ES/10 at Stafford Record Office gives valuations of Fitzherbert estates for 1809 and gives names of tenants and the properties where they lived.

I am interested in Robinsons in the Swynnerton area, in particular any living at Hatton, Harley Thorn, Sandyford, Tittensor and Yarnfield. Also Knightley in the parish of Gnosall.

This is my last resort, so I do hope someone can help.

Regards

[sugs]

Hi Liza I have looked at the document for you and have this:

In the Swinnerton Heath section of the ledger
Thomas Robinson Tennant
Rent £200

To a piece of pasture ground containing       A    R    P                                   L    S    D
                                                                2     -    2  of the yearly value      2    -    -


                                       A    R    P
This tenant occupies      16g   2    8  of land in Hatton and Shelton  of the yearly value of £290.15.9
(in pencil see page 56)

Page 55  Hatton and Shelton
Thomas and John Robinson tennan ts
Rent £300.0.0
The build consists of a brick and tile dwelling-house,with an undershot water grist mill adjoining,
working 2 pair of stones 6 foot tall of water, Stable, Carthouse and Cowhouse. Also a farm house,2 barns,2 stables, 2 Cowhouses, Cartsheds and Pigscots.
The content and yearly value of the Mill and Land are as follows.

Subject to Corn Tithes                               A    R    P                                 L    S     D
Thomas Rob'      Mill and homestead           2    -     -  yearly value             77   -      -
         "              Meadow                           2     2   19   meadow     47         6    3     -
         "              Dyers Croft,now in two      6    2     -    arable         30        9   15    -
         "              Orchard and Rick yard        1    -    20   orchard      30         2   10    -
         "              Part of Mill Moor                 -    2    35   pasture      23        -     16    7
         "              Hatton Mill Pool                  2    2    32   water      ----------------------------
         "              Moor                                  5    -     1   Prt arable   32         8     -      2
William Rob       Nearer Bawbridge                5     1   29   arable        7          4    12     3
         "              Middle       "                        6      1  12       "           22        6     19      1
         "              Cowfield                            10     -    33       "           27       13    16     4
         "              Dale or Cowfield                   3    1    12       "           27         4      9     9
          "             Dale                                     -    1   27  pasture       24         -      10    -
         "              Croft                                   -     2   15      "             24         -     14     13
         "              Bank                                    7    2   10    arable       29        10     8       3
Thomas Rob'      Mill field                               5     2   29       "           34          9    13      1
       "                     "                                     4     2   36       "           34          8     -      7
Will Rob'            Homestead                            1     -     2 ----------------------------------------
     "                  Croft                                      -     2   33   pasture                   1     3     3
(homestead includes Farmhouse,2 stables, Carthouse,Pigscot.)
Carried Forward                                            A    R    P                                     L    S    D
                                                                 64      2   25                               164    11    7
will send next on new message Sue

[sugs]

2nd part
Brought Forward                                  A      R      P                                  L    S     D
                                                        64       2    25                               164   11    7
William Rob'       Ferny field                   8      1      6   ara/past  33            13    13    5
         "              Further  bank               8      1    39   arable     27             11     9    3
        "               Nearer   bank               6      2      9      "          27              8    17    -
Thomas Rob'      Mill field                       6      3      9      "          31            10    10   11
       "                Pyethorn                      9       2     31     "         27             13      -    8
William Rob'       Gawls                         10      2      8      "         22              11    12    1
    "                   Ashtons Croft                 2      2    13   meadow 30               3    17    5
      "                 Upper Bawbridge            6      3    24   arable     18              6      4     2
     "                  Oat Leasow                    6      3     7      "          18              6     2     3
      "                 Haberdash                     4      1    27      "           14             3      1    10
      "                 Hardy barn rough           5      -     17 rough pas    8             2       -    10
      "                 Bawbridge Dale &  H  B   9     -     23   arable        22           10     1      1
      "                 Further Hardy Barn         6      1    32      "            20             6     9      -
Thomas Rob'      Mill Moor                        9      2     6  meadow      34           16     4     3
      "                 Rushy Lane                   2     2    16  pasture
      "                 Fold with Mill lane           -      1    32    "                                3     -     -
      "                 Hembut                         -       2     4     "
(last 3 grouped together )

 Total quantity and yearly value             169      2     8                                290      15     9

1 more piece maybe your relative on seperate scrap of paper
                                                                 
                                                                       A     R    P 

The Framley Hill Plantation                                 1      1    27
Mr Cliffe        "                                                   1     1     15
Mr Barnes      "                                                  3      3      2
Mr Robinson   "                                                   2     1     38

Total                                                                  9      0     2

A= Achre     R =Rods   P= Perches
L = Pounds   S= Shillings  D=Pence
Hope you can understand this Liza
A really interesting Document
Hope it helps Sue

[liza99]

Hi Sue

Many thanks for looking up this reference for me. I had given up hope of a reply so stopped checking for one and have only now discovered your messages! So apologies if I appeared to be ungrateful by not replying straight away.

It is indeed an interesting document with the use of the old measurements, and I will have to see if I can find a detailed map showing some of the individual places mentioned.

I think John Robinson is father of Thomas. FindMyPast has a burial for a John Robinson 16/12/1810 Swynnerton, abode Hatton Mill. I have found William on censuses at Hatton with his family, but not Thomas.

I do not know if this Thomas at Hatton is my relative but at least I know that there was a Thomas Robinson at Hatton in 1809 which I didn't know before.
My Thomas was 'of Tittensor' in 1798 at his daughter Ann's marriage to Charles Kent, but could have moved. There are also other Thomas Robinsons around to make life difficult. The Robinsons of Hatton were definitely RC though, as I believe my Thomas to have been.

I add to my information bit by bit, and much appreciate your contribution.
Thanks again.

Liza

[sugs]

Hi Liza,
I'm glad the information has helped,I thought it might raise more questions for you.

I found it very interesting so if you want me to look for anything again just ask.

All the best Sue

[liza99]

Hi Sue

How very kind of you to offer. As luck would have it I have found 2 more references for documents at Stafford RO which would give me more info if you are sure you don't mind.

D641/5/T/3/63 1765

This is the estates of Thomas Fitzherbert in 1765, giving tenants names, township, rent etc. I am interested in Robinsons in Swynnerton & Stone Parish.

D641/5/ES/1

This is "a list of inhabitants of Swynnerton in connection with highway duty, 1776". Sounds like a kind of census. I am interested in details of all Robinson families and their addresses to help with the elimination process. Could be an invaluable document if children are listed. Let's hope so.

Many thanks for offering these look-ups. I don't know if I would ever have got to the RO myself.

Best wishes
Liza

[sugs]

Hi Liza.
Had time to look at the first document for you D 041/5/T/3/63

This actually is composed of many parchments (First time I have had to wear the gloves!)
Of which there is not allot about tenants mostly seems to be about The various members of the Fitzherbert family and their bequests.

However there was one or two snippets!

In Doc 63
In the first year of the reign of George the First 5th October 1765
Certificate by Thomas Fernyhough clerk of the peace for the county of Stafford,of the registry of the estates of Thomas Fitzherbert Esq A Roman Catholic

Amongst others:

A message at Hareby Thorn and lands in the parishes of Swynnerton and Stone,in the holdings of Thomas Robinson at the yearly rent of 80 pounds.

Tittensor                                                                 L                 S                   D
John Robinson for Thomas Fitzherbert Esq                  0                 9                   6

Darlaston
William Robinson for Roland Hill Bart                           0                1                    3

James Robinson for William Plant                                1              12                   10

There isn,t allot in this one but the next one looks more hopeful.
Ido hope you can understand these documents!!

Liza it,s such a shame you can,t see them for yourself they are Fab The Fitzherberts were such a rich Family weren't they.

Bear with me any way and hopefully I will be able to get the next one done next time.
Iwill contact you again soon all the best Sue

[Mike in Cumbria]

You might already know, but A R P refers to acres roods and perches. I worked on quite an old-fashioned  estate once with old records and had to convert all these odd measurements to hectares. One acre is 4 roods, and one rood is 40 perches. So, for example, A1 R3 P20 is 1.875 acres, which in turn is 0.76 hectares.

Hope that makes sense!

[liza99]

Hi Mike

I had heard of rods and perches but didn't know how they related to acres, so it is interesting to know that.

Thanks
Liza