Thomas Ivinson married to Sarah Hewitson ca 1822 possibly Cumrew area

[emmsthheight]

Hi

I'll see whst I can see at Whitehave Cumbria Archives in West Cumbria.  It'll be limited though as these are further north.  There are copies at Carlisle though.  I'll be back there eventually.

I did have a Hewitson turn up when I was researching a friend's family and there are a large group just south of Penrith.

Not yours but it might be woirth extending the search.  Many of these are rural parishes where most people lived on the land around rather than on the village centre and also moved around with farm work or even if they were luicky married into a landed family a few miles away.

Many of the rural familioes I've looked at in the area married at Penrih - o even Brampton in your case?

Have you looked afrt surrounding parishes and those between Cumrew and Bramptin or Penrith?

I'll see what I can see.  Also, given that they emigrated, in the ports?

Just a few thought!

best wishes

Emms 

[kdviner70]

Thank you very much!

I have looked at what seems to be the only parish records I could find or some very nice people here and at other forums have suggested. There are some Sarah Hewitson (or Hewetson) baptisms/biriths that are close to her baptism date (1805) as she listed it in the Danish West Indies census of 1841.  For example Wigton 1804 and Cockermouth 1807.  But, no one has been able to find a marriage in England.  I have sent an query to a noted genealogists working in St Croix to see if it is possible that they could have married there. No word back yet. I have tried the passenger lists I could find. Nothing to date for arrivals in St Croix online (with passenger lists).

[emmsthheight]

Hi

You're welcome.  might not help but you never know!  It's muich eassier looking even on the net when you know the geography of the place and what's available!

I'll keep you posted!

Emms   

[kdviner70]

Thanks again. 

I do have maps printed out with the location where the Ivinsons known to be in the tree were listed at various times:
Thomas - Edward's father, baptized 1802 Cumrew, residence 1823-1847 St. Croix West Indies, 1847-1857 St. John West Indies; death 1857 Cinnamon Bay Estate St. John West Indies.
Joshua - Edward's grandfather, birth 1778 Cumrew, marriage 1799 Lazonby, residence 1841&1851 census Cumrew; death 1857 Croglin
Edward - birth 1830 St. Croix West Indies, school 1841 census Brampton, drapers helper 1851 census Carlisle, USA 1853 to death 1928.

[emmsthheight]

Hi again

Limited success so far!

I've looked at a few parishes with no marriage.  I'll havew a go at a few more next time.

One thing I did find though you may know about.  Did you know there's a large sandstone gravestone in Cumrew for Thomas's parents and siblings?  Thomas and his brother both gewt a mention as died in the West Indieds and the year.

I've only seen a printed transcript but it's relatively recent - 1990's I think, so hopefuly the stone's still there and still legible.  It says it's tall, red sandstone with a wreath motiff on it.

Probably not much new info but I'm wondering if they were keen enough to put him on the stone whether there might also be a news paper mention which might solve the odd mtstery?  I'll have a llok.

Best wishes

Emms 

[emmsthheight]

Hi

First mentioned are Joshua the elder and wife Eleanor

And chioldren imcluding Joshua their son, died in the West Indies  1854 aged 34 and Thomas their son died in the West Indies , 1856 aged 54.

I wonder if the 34 should be 54 as they could look similar on a worn stone.  Otherwise just the odd year different.

OOf the children mentioned, these two out lived all except Edward who died locally aged 90.  The others were young teenagers.

I expect you have the other info.

Best wishes

Emms

[kdviner70]

I have not seen that stone nor has any one else mentioned it!

As far as I have been able to determine Joshua (Sr) may have been the father of the Thomas Ivinson I'm researching who died in the Danish West Indies in 1857 at age 55. So what you found  is very close to what I had discovered!  I have a copy of his will and also the bill for his burial on St. John.  Both were found in the Danish archives in Copenhagen this summer.

There are multiple Edwards. "Our" Edward died in 1928 at age 97 at his winter residence, the Brown Palace Hotel in Denver, Colorado, USA (the Brown Palace was owned by the "Unsinkable"  Molly Brown).  The potential confusion arises that Thomas had a brother named Edward. He is the uncle of the Edward who moved to the U.S. and became very successful in Wyoming.

I think you may have found the first evidence of the death of Joshua (son of Thomas and grandson of Joshua)! I have him in Brampton in the 1841 census at age 16 (ergo born 1825) with his brothers Thomas Jr, John and Edward (the Edward who moved to Wyoming). No evidence after that.

Edward's age in 1841 matches with his often self stated birthdate of 1830 and the family history that says he went to Croft House Academy in Brampton.  The ages for Joshua are different but perhaps there is a transcription error or something similar along the way.

Edit - I have found a family tree on ancestry.com that shows that Thomas Ivinson (son of Joshua) had a brother named Joshua who was born 1820 (and would be the uncle of Thomas Ivinson's son Joshua).  Perhaps the 1820 Joshua also went to the West Indies. I looked at the available online West Indies census records and there is no Joshua Ivinson listed.  However, the census only covers St. Croix and only the years 1841, 1846, 1850 and 1855.  I do have an email from a reaercher in the Virgin Islands who found an entry for a J Ivinson as a manager of an estate on St. Croix in the late 1830's.  That could be the 1820 Joshua. Odd though that he lived until 1854 and does not turn up in other records.

[emmsthheight]

Hi

Thank you for all the feed back.

Joshua is given as son of Joshua

Best wishes

Emms 

[kdviner70]

Actually thanks are due to you.  Another Ivinson added to their family tree (Joshua son of Joshua) and a link to the J Thomas in the West Indies!