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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 29 October 11 01:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Pastmagic,

That's incredible amount of information. Thank you so much !!

It got me thinking about Anne Rainsford, and yes it's VERY possible that George had a sister.

This is invaluable for me now, because I can also try and work off Anne Rainsford now.

Usually I do a 'Google Maps' to find the distance between the 2 areas.

This distance is 92KM so about 52 miles SW of Castlecomer.

I have been working with a guy last few weeks who has researched his ancestry back to Martin Rainsford,
a Gunsmith from Butterhill in Wicklow.

Butterhill is right across the lake from Blessington about a 10 minute walk.

That Martin Rainsford goes back to 1733. Gordan my friend is a Direct Descendant.

So between us we concluded that my Line may well have traveled from Dublin to Wicklow to Castlecomer.

Castlecomer is about 30 miles SW of Butterhill and also Portarlington.

Portarlington is significant because many Rainsford's lived there also.

So the DISTANCE is less for these areas than it is for Tipperary.

This gives me the impression that my line of Rainsford's move from Dublin = Kildare = Wicklow = Castlecomer.

The reason I believe this is because back in the late 1700s, coaches and horses were the means of Transport and getting around would have been restricted. Therefore the 30 miles distance between
Castlecomer to Portarlington or 30 miles from Portarlington to Butterhill or Kildare seems more plausible.

Then again I could be very wrong !!


2 - Regards the 3 acres of land . I did not know how big the land was. So thank you for that.

It looks like George and Elizabeth lived in Glemagoo for a long time.  From 1814 - 1860 at least.

It looks like it was just George and Elizabeth and of course all the children. I know 2 - William and younger brother James. However there could have been on older brother George a first born.

I i'm thinking this firstborn  George was married in Ballylennon Carlow. I'm not certain though. Just hunches.

as I found a marriage record for George Rainsford marrying Anne Thornton in 1850.
On that marriage it had George Rainsford as the father also.

However that was in  Ballylennon Carlow. approx 18 miles from Castlecomer.
I think this could well have been my GG GF George's first born son.

See here
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/493a1d0024942

His next son William was my Great Grandfather and he married in 1866 in Castlecomer to Bridget Keefe.

I did know about Isaac Bradley being the landlord, so they did not own the land.

However I still await a search on Elizabeth Rainsford which I hope I will get next week sometime.

Maybe this will shed light on if she got land, or even if George had acquired land, from someone who will provide a link for me.

3 - I have seen those Deeds. I found a George Rainsford but he was in Fermanagh. I add attachment here.
That was in the year 1772 .

Throughout all those documents that was all that I found was ONE relating to Rainsford or variant spellings i.e Ransford etc.

However even though its the right year, it would mean this George Rainsford would have to have a son also called George. Then he would have to move perhaps to Castlecomer ??? Confusing.

4 - So where will I look now ??

Well The good lead I have right now is in relation to the birth of a George Rainsford in Dublin in St Nicholas Church RC in Dublin 8 area.
See earlier Post on this there is a LINK to that page  !

I will search this parish to find if they have any other information. For instance I know already that this George Rainsford's parents were Robert and Bridget in 1773.

IMPORTANT NOTE - Most Rainsford's in Ireland switched from Protestant to Catholic in late 1700's.
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Also remember that most the Rainsfords were Protestant up til about 1760s- 1790's where most if not all had converted to Catholicism.

The late 1700's in Ireland saw lots of Catholic societies grow leading up to the 1798 Rebellion.
All the years preceding this, were fired by the 1770s Revolution in the USA and the 1789 French Revolution.
Ireland was next to follow suit. So Political change especially Religious change from Protestant to Catholics were happening. Ireland was 70% Catholic in 1700, and 85% by 1829 and in Daniel O'Connell time.

The Point being that my GG Grandfather George could well have been born Protestant and converted to Catholic when he married Elizabeth Price.

That is why I do research in Church of Ireland and the RCB in Churchtown D18.

My friend Gordan told me that although the RC Church Records do not exist before 1814 in some of these areas, it is still possible to find them in Church of Ireland Records. Namely given our Switch in Religion close to the time Catholic Records were begining to be kept again.

Again thank you so much for your effort on this. It is totally unexpected !!

Kind Regards

Martin Rainsford.




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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 29 October 11 21:48 BST (UK) »
Few gunsmith refs on line - there was also possible  Dublin Gunsmith


Cased pair of percussion duelling pistols, converted from flintlock, cal. 20 bore (.610 in.). Made by Michael Ransford, Dublin, circa 1750.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0g6i/

A few  Freeman's Journal refs you probably already have:
Mr. George Ransford Victualler of 13  Chatham Street, in list of subscribers to the United Board of Manafactures on Saturday gave Two Shillings and sixpence, November 29, 185I a Diony Ransford also of  Chatham St (no number) gave 5 Shillings.
A Mr Rasnsford 13 Chatham St subscribes again on Friday, January 9, 1852
Two shillings an sixpence again on Friday, April 30, 1852

I admire your persistance!
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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 30 October 11 00:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Pastmagic

Blimey - that is EXCELLENT !!

The Pistols are correct. As my friend Gordan ,( whose ancestor IS Gunsmith Martin Rainsford from Butterhill Wicklow 1733 ) has told me about these pistols and that Martin Rainsford had a son called Michael Rainsford who kept on his fathers Gunsmith works.

What you found seems totally accurate !!

Also I think that George Rainsford in 1851 could be my Great Granduncle , my Great Grandfather William's older brother.
I found from the wedding cert, his father was George Rainsford and he was a Victualler - Butcher .

That information is amazing, and thank you so much for keeping me in mind and finding incredible stuff.

Hopefully next week I will get feedback from the Genealogist in Rothe House Kilkenny about Elizabeth Price.
Her parents and her assocation with land in Glenmagoo.

What I'm doing now !
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Today I emailed the St Nicholas Church parish guy in Francis St Dublin 8
As this area and Parish have a few Rainsford's that I found over the last week or so.

1  - My lead is this - Robert and Bridget Rainsford had a son called George Rainsford in 7 Feb 1773.
So hopefully the parish guy here might have information about them.

Remember I need a George Rainsford Birth and Location and he must be born in late 1770's or 1780s
As this would make him 35 - 45 at time of his marriage in 8 Feb 1814.

As time goes on I will tweak these years +- 5 years or so.

2 - A Anna was a sponser - So I looked up Anne Rainsford for St Nicholas Parish and I found on the Griffith Census an Ann Rainsford living in  Dean St Dublin 8. Right across from St Patricks Cathedral there.

That Census was in 1847 - 1850

However in 1730 in St Nicholas Parish D8, I found another Anne Rainsford
see attachment - from St Nicholas Church Dublin 8.

I also found a Richard Rainsford on the same Griffith Census living in Ushers Island, right next to the Dublin Quays and about 1.7 KM ( according to Google Maps ) or 20 min walk to Francis St and Dean St D8.
This Richard Rainsford was in St Aodoens Parish in D8

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/dublin/staudoens.htm

And Believe it or not I found a Solider called George Rainsford buried there in 11 Nov 1705.

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/2585d60254533

Perhaps  the Richard Rainsford who married Ann Rainsford and had a son Henry born in 1730, in St Nicholas Church  was this George Rainsford's son as its in the same area of Dublin 8.
Also as in 1705 George Rainsford soldier buried in St Aodeons in Nov 1705.
The same area could there be a connection here !! Seems very plausible.


The reason I'm doing it this way, is that by kind of knowing various Rainsford's around 1700's
if I do get good feedback soon on Rothe House on Elizabeth Price I can somehow find a way to link it all together.

You gave me an Ann Rainsford marriage from 1819 in Toem Tipperary and I will get to work on that, to see if MY GG GF George Rainsford had any sisters or even brother.
That was an excellent tip !!

I'm going to follow first my thinking on the route and distance travelled by my ancestors.
I'm thinking - Dublin - Kildare - Wicklow - Castlecomer.
So its Dublin for this week and that parish RC St Nicholas Church, Francis St D 8.

I will definitely let you know how I get on on both Kilkenny Rothe House and St Nicholas Parish Searched.


Again Thank you so much for your help.
Very much appreciated for your time and efforts with helping me.

Kind Regards
Genesearch

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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #21 on: Friday 25 November 11 17:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Pastmagic

I actually found Micheal Ransford dueling Pistols from 1750 online.

The are located in Victoria Museum in Australia.

http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/372954/case-pair-of-pistols-michael-ransford-dublin-percussion-circa-1750

I sent them to my friend who is a Direct Descendant and he is delighted.

kind regards
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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #22 on: Friday 25 November 11 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Nice Find! PM

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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 31 January 13 18:21 GMT (UK) »
Few gunsmith refs on line - there was also possible  Dublin Gunsmith


Cased pair of percussion duelling pistols, converted from flintlock, cal. 20 bore (.610 in.). Made by Michael Ransford, Dublin, circa 1750.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0g6i/

A few  Freeman's Journal refs you probably already have:
Mr. George Ransford Victualler of 13  Chatham Street, in list of subscribers to the United Board of Manafactures on Saturday gave Two Shillings and sixpence, November 29, 185I a Diony Ransford also of  Chatham St (no number) gave 5 Shillings.
A Mr Rasnsford 13 Chatham St subscribes again on Friday, January 9, 1852
Two shillings an sixpence again on Friday, April 30, 1852

I admire your persistance!
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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 31 January 13 18:47 GMT (UK) »
Few gunsmith refs on line - there was also possible  Dublin Gunsmith


Cased pair of percussion duelling pistols, converted from flintlock, cal. 20 bore (.610 in.). Made by Michael Ransford, Dublin, circa 1750.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0g6i/

A few  Freeman's Journal refs you probably already have:
Mr. George Ransford Victualler of 13  Chatham Street, in list of subscribers to the United Board of Manafactures on Saturday gave Two Shillings and sixpence, November 29, 185I a Diony Ransford also of  Chatham St (no number) gave 5 Shillings.
A Mr Rasnsford 13 Chatham St subscribes again on Friday, January 9, 1852
Two shillings an sixpence again on Friday, April 30, 1852

I admire your persistance!
PM

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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 31 January 13 18:50 GMT (UK) »
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Re: George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 12:40 BST (UK) »
Hello all,

I am hoping this post is still active and someone sees this.

My great x4 granny was Catherine Rainsford who married my great x4 grandad, Thomas Purcell, in Castlecomer in 1841.

I've found births for two children. Michael Purcell was born in 1842 and he was a witness at the wedding of William Rainsford (son of George Rainsford and Elizabeth 'Betty' Price) to Bridget Keefe in 1866.

Mary Purcell, my great x3 granny, was born in 1844 and William and Bridget Rainsford were sponsors to her daughter, Eliza Curran, in 1869.

Their mother, Catherine Rainsford, was born in approximately 1818 according to her age at the time she died while William Rainsford's parents, George and Betty, married in 1814.

I'm thinking that because George married four years before Catherine's birth, he is either her father or a much older brother from a large family. I have seen families having children 20+ years apart if the parents married young.

Does anyone have any information that could suggest a link between my Rainsford ancestor and George and his son William?

All I know is they certainly knew each other and are most likely related in some way due to the shared surname.

There are DNA connections to a Rainsford from Murroe, Limerick but nothing particularly useful has shown up in records unfortunately.

I hope someone can help.

Kind regards

Colleen