George Ransford 1778 Dublin Ireland.

[Pastmagic]

Here is a grave inscriptions from the Church of Ireland Cemetery in
Hacketstown. May not be at all relevant, but just in case....

This tomb was erected by George Ransford in memory of his wife Martha
RANSFORD who departed this life January 1806 aged 40 years.

Erected by George and William RANSFORD of Kiltegan in memory of their mother
Mary RANSFORD who departed this life July the 17th 1753 aged 52 years. Also
John RANSFORD who departed this life August 28th 1753 aged 18 years. Also
his father John RANSFORD departed January 13th 1796 aged 74 years. Also the
above named William RANSFORD departed August the 9th 1801. Also the body of
two children and his wife Elizabeth RANSFORD. Also John RANSFORD who departed
this life June 10th 1804 aged 69 years.

[genesearch1]

Hi there,

 Superb information !!
I have already rang Hacketstown and nearby Parishes but they gave me the usual
"All records burned in 1922" line.

Or that the records for those Parishes go back to 1821 or at most 1803 etc etc give or take a few years.

The main aim is to try and find some connection to this George Rainsford to the one in Castlecomer.
Assuming there is one ! There could be but there may not  be.

Maybe this line of research will give me some clues if this Kiltegan
George Rainsford had a son called George Rainsford.

Thats the only way to find the link now as George name is passed down from father to son in my line
over the years.

However its a SUPERB link to work off and gives so much information !!!

Thanks again.

Genesearch

[shanew147]

According to 'Ryan's Irish Records' a copy of the records for the CofI parish of Hacketstown baptism, marriage and death records back to 1799 is held held locally... I dont see any other source that confirms this.

Based on the recent handlist, the copies in the RCBL only go back to 1877 for baptisms, death/burials to 1878, and marriages back to the start of civil records in 1845. It's looks like transcripts of the RCBL records are available on www.irishgenealogy.ie


Shane

[genesearch1]

I actually found another George Rainsford who baptised in 1773
His parents were Robert Rainsford and Bridget.

See attachment.

This is RC - Roman Catholic in the St Nicholas Parish in Dublin.

There are quiet a few leads.

However it's getting these leads and trying to establish a link to my ancestor in Castlecomer !!

For instance if this George Rainsford born 7 Feb 1773 is my ancestor who married in Castlecomer in 8 Feb 1814, he would be 41 when he married.
That sounds plausible !!

Still trying to get a connection is hard.

As the Kiltegan Wicklow had a George Rainsford too , just it has to be a son born in 1770's or 1780's or so that would make it more reasonable to say he married in 30's or 40's'. Then again could be OLDER or YOUNGER.

There seems to be lots of George Rainsford's at this time.  That makes the search refreshing on one hand but daunting on the other.

Still no direct link as yet.

I will still keep at it, and maybe try and find more about this George Rainsford in St Nicholas Dublin.
I feel that i'm nearly there  !!

Kind Regards
Genesearch.

see : Baptism of George Rainsford - 7 February 1773

[Pastmagic]

Who did your ancestor marry in Castlecomber, what denomination was the church,and how do you know he is your ancestor? - ie do you have named BMD's for his children, grandchildren etc?
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[genesearch1]

Hi Pastmagic,

I know he is my ancestor as I have the actual marriage record from the National Library in Kildare St Dublin
All my ancestors come from Castlecomer , in Kilkenny Ireland.

On this Marriage Record it stated Muckalee a Parish within Castlecomer in 1814
He married Elizabeth Price . It was a RC or Roman Catholic Wedding.
His son William was my Great Grandfather.

Then I got Elizabeth Rainsford ( maiden name Price ) Death Cert from 1874 in the GRO in Dublin.
On it it says William Rainsford was there when she passed away.

Furthermore I got the Griffith Records of 1849, which placed my Great Great Grandfather in Glenmagoo , Castlecomer Kilkenny.

So he is my Direct Ancestor.
However I contacted Rothe House in Kilkenny and they have NO records of his birth there.

So he moved from somewhere to Castlecomer . That is what i'm trying to find out now.

Kind Regards
Genesearch.

[shanew147]

....
On this Marriage Record it stated Muckalee a Parish within Castlecomer in 1814
....
However I contacted Rothe House in Kilkenny and they have NO records of his birth there.

So he moved from somewhere to Castlecomer . That is what i'm trying to find out now.
....

RC baptism record for the parish of Castlecomer dont go back far enough to include a baptism in the 1770s, so he could have been baptised in the area.
(they only include baptisms back to 1814)

Mucklee parish is just south of the one for Castlecomer and has RC baptism records back to 1801,



Shane

[genesearch1]

Hi Shane,

thanks for that also.

However I did contact Rothe House in Killkenny and the genealogist there said that there was no Death Record for George Rainsford found either.

However there was one for Elizabeth.

They said it was possible he was buried back where he was born.

For instance my Uncle was buried back in Castlecomer, despite living in Dublin most his life and then he died in Dublin.

I tend to believe this too !!

I am currently awaiting results on Elizabeth Price my GG Grandmother.
I have requested a Genealogist to do some research on her in Rothe House Kilkenny also.

I know she died aged 80, in 1874 , which would make her roughly born in 1794 or thereabouts.

Also from the same Griffith Census of 1849 for Castlecomer, I found a Samuel Price living on the same area of Glenmagoo  Upper Fiorda Kilkenny.

Perhaps if they find some information on her, I can glean some more information about my GG GF George.

Thanks very much again for you help on this.

Kind Regards
Genesearch.

[Pastmagic]

You have quite a difficult job here. I agree with Shane that he could quite easily been born in the area and no record has survived. I would start as locally as possible, but I do see your difficulty! I noted that you had an Edmund  Ryan witness to the Marriage in your earlier thread.

Have you seen the marriage in 1819 on familysearch: (old version)
GI Individual Record    FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
     British Isles
         
ANN RANSFORD    
     Spouse:     JAMES RYAN    Family
     Marriage:     
10 AUG 1819      Toem, Tipperary, Ireland

This Ann would have been of an age to be a sibling of George. Maybe worth keeping to one side, if the Ryan connection comes into play.

This account also locates some Ranfords in Tipp:
Nov. 5, 1844
On Wednesday, as a man named John Ransford, was proceeding from Bird-hill
towards Ballynahinch, he was met by a party of armed men who attacked him.
He escaped and ran to the house of a relative Edmond Ransford who informed
the police at the Muragh station, about a mile and a half distant. Sergeant
Goore and a party of police pursued the ruffians who fled in the direction
of O'Brien's bridge. He succeeded in arresting three men, named Martin
Tracy, James Tracy and Hill. The cause assigned for the attack is a spirit
of revenge, instigated by Ransford having taken some land from which the
Tracy's had been evicted. TIPPERARY VINDICATOR.

Just a snippet to keep to one side.

I looked at the Griffits valuations on askaboutireland - there are two entries for George Rainsford in Castlecomber

1 House and lands  c. 3 acres  Glenmagoo or Fiorda
I house Office and lands c. 18 acres Castlecomber part of. Just wondering if these two are George Married to Elizabeth Price and a possible father, or George and a son. Or one George involved.

The landlord in both cases is Issac Bradley.

I then had a look at the registry of deeds project:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~registryofdeeds/by_name/name221.htm

No George, but lots of other docs.
So realy a dead end, unless you want to spend a day working throuh these Rensford docs to see if you can glean anything. Which you may have done already.

Best of luck with your search,
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