Elizabeth Banyard

[lizdb]

Wasnt aware it had a tone - just asking about the source of the statement that Elizabeth Banyard's father was Henry, when all the evidence so far has been that it was either William or Charles!

A source being a survivng document from the time, like a census schedule or a parish register entry of a christening, or a birth certificate for example

[lizdb]

Ok I've spotted the pedigree you refer to - submitted by some guy in Kent - so to find where he got it from Agatha would have to contact him.

However, he says that the Elizabeth Banyard bn 1842 (that he says was born to Henry and Sarah), died in 1846
So, if his info is right, then she cant be the girl that grew up to marry Henry Addison.
She may, of course, be the one with the 1842 birth registration we have found.
Which bodes the question of where the birth reg is for the one from the censuses, dtr of William!

[lizdb]

Going back to the William and Lidia couple, who in the censuses had a dtr Elizabeth of the right age and in the rightplace
I see that William is still alive in 1871, by which time Elizabeth is married
So that rules out the scenario that the vicar just got distracted and when she said her dad was William he wrote down Charles! William certainly wasnt deceased.

SO if we are ruling out the William and Lidy couple for that reason
And we rule out the Henry and Sarah couple someone has submitted on familysearch as she is said to have died .....
we are struggling

But the fact still remains, there is only one birth registration - without the birth cert we dont know which of the three that relates to!

[DORAN54]

there are family trees on ancestry with elizabeth not passing away until 1919 showing the same parents i had of  L.D.S

[lizdb]

Cant see a Henry and Sarah on any census with Elizabeth - so personally I would want to know where the compilers of the trees got that info from - e.g the christening details.

Anyway, I was thinking about this thread, and go back to one of my initial questions - have you got a child's birth cert confirming that their mum's maiden name was Banyard?

If not, one explanation of the situation could be that Mrs Elizabeth Addison was not nee Banyard at all, and the marriage cert with dad Charles relates to another couple altogether, a Henry and Elizabeth Anderson, as per cert.
Thus 'your' Elizabeth, born 1842ish in Dowham is ELizabeth something else.
I know there is not an obvious marriage for Henry Addison to an Elizabeth (other than Anderson to Banyard) but maybe they didnt actually marry, or something.

Agatha. if you havent got a child's birth cert, I think, in my humble opinion, that is the way forward, to get some sort of confirmation that the Banyard track is the right one, seeing as nothing on it makes sense!

[micaddison]

morning all, i just registered with this site and am reading this with interest as my great great grandmother is the Elizabeth married to Henry Addison, im stumped because my grandads tree in inherited has Elizabeth Newman b 10 May 1842 and but all records point to Elizabeth been a Banyard, i have birth certs for their children which gives me a puzzle, James William Addison born 1871 born to Henry and Elizabeth (formerly Banyard) and then 2 years later in 1873 theres Louisa Elizabeth Addison born to Henry and Elizabeth (formerly Newman)
i have more but its early, i shall go through it all in few and return, hopefully someone is still reading this

Michael Addison

PS theres lots of Banyards and lots of Newmans in my paperwork

[Annette7]

I've been reading this for the first time - now Elizabeth Newman does make sense.   You have a birthdate of 10/5/1842 and she was bp'd.15/5/1842 Downham Market, dau. of James Newman and wife Elizabeth.

Here it goes 'sticky' again.   James and Elizabeth were apparently already married in 1841 but I can find no obvious marriage for them.    Nor can I find an obvious death entry for Elizabeth between 1842 and 1849 - James Newman, as a widower, remarried 17/9/1849 Downham Market to a Louisa Beckett, spinster.

In 1851 Downham Market James and new wife Louisa appear with Elizabeth b.1842, James b.1846 and Louisa b.1850 and a Charles Banyard b.1833 East Dereham who is shown as a nephew.

So, were James and first wife Elizabeth actually married?   What was Elizabeth's maiden name (Banyard maybe hence dau. Elizabeth's confusion as to whether she was actually a Banyard if she'd found out her parents hadn't been married!!!)?   

As Elizabeth Newman's actual birthdate is known has her birth certificate been acquired?

Annette

[Annette7]

1851 census ref. is HO107-1830-240-8.

Annette

[micaddison]

you make it seem so easy, no, i dont have a birth cert but i do have some more knowledge here
'Elizabeth Banyard 1942 is registered and baptised as Elizabeth Newman, her mother was Elizabeth Banyard nee Beckett c.1810, i presume she was still married to Charles Banyard but living with James Newman, she died 1847 Downham, James then marries Louisa Beckett 1849, possibly Elizabeths sister'
i havent yet got stuck into this one but i plan to after lunch, theres more bits here about Banyards and Newmans but its lots of jumbled up names and dates, address' in Sheffield helpfully enough theres some 'gaps' in the tree i was given (literally gaps due to some poor photocopying skill in the past)