Mary Hitchings Carew/Jeffreyston/Cresselly?

[Dutch Uncle]

Via censuses I have discovered that my G-G-Grandparents David Thomas (b Wiston ca 1827) and Mary Thomas nee Hitchings lived in Lydstep (1851) and Maidenwells (1861-1881). Mary's birthplace is given variously and confusingly as Carew, Jeffreyston and Cresselly, and she was born ca 1825. I know Mary's father was William Hitchings, a labourer.

Via someone else's family tree I see that a Mary Hitchings b 1825 was a twin of a Martha Hitchings, with father Wiliam Hitchings. Martha's birthplace is given as Manorbier. I am very wary of data in other published family trees, and I wonder if anyone is able to check Mary's birth and if my Mary is the same as Martha's twin?

The only possibiility for Mary I can find in the 1841 census is in the census for Williamston & Begelly with a 15 year old Mary Hitchings living in Begelly/Langdan but not with her family.

Kind regards

Brian

[Orielbenfro]

Via censuses I have discovered that my G-G-Grandparents David Thomas (b Wiston ca 1827) and Mary Thomas nee Hitchings lived in Lydstep (1851) and Maidenwells (1861-1881). Mary's birthplace is given variously and confusingly as Carew, Jeffreyston and Cresselly, and she was born ca 1825. I know Mary's father was William Hitchings, a labourer.

Via someone else's family tree I see that a Mary Hitchings b 1825 was a twin of a Martha Hitchings, with father Wiliam Hitchings. Martha's birthplace is given as Manorbier. I am very wary of data in other published family trees, and I wonder if anyone is able to check Mary's birth and if my Mary is the same as Martha's twin?

The only possibiility for Mary I can find in the 1841 census is in the census for Williamston & Begelly with a 15 year old Mary Hitchings living in Begelly/Langdan but not with her family.

Kind regards

Brian

There is no David Thomas baptised at Wiston ca 1827, however I do note a ‘Davy’ Thomas baptised at Wiston in 1823. The IGI confirms this as 19 Jan 1823 son of John Thomas baptised, you do not show David’s father in your thread.

There are a good number of Thomas of Wiston Wills listed on NLoW website which may well be of assistance in your research.

The same goes for the Hitchings family living around the area of Maidenwells. Since Maidenwells was never a parish, but believed to be a spring of pilgrimage, there are plenty of the family around the area leaving wills which must relate to your research. In my view you are quite lightly related to the Hitchings of Quiots Mill.

I note that Mary Hitchings and a Martha Hitchings were both baptised at Carew in the year 1825 both to William & Margaret Hitchings of Carew(see IGI website to confirm my findings for full dates etc), they probably relate to Susan bapt 1827, Thomas 1823 and John bapt 1821 at Carew.

William Hitchings a labourer married Margaret Thomas at Carew on the 24 March 1821

I am pretty sure this family has been discussed else where on this forum, so my apologies if I am repeating information already known.

Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname

[Dutch Uncle]

Orielbenfro

Very very many thanks for a rapid response. The information on Mary is very welcome, and I think confirms what I need.

With regards to David, the 1851, 61 and 81 censuses all give Wiston in answer to ' where born'; and all point consistently to ca 1827. Maybe the baptism was somewhere else close by? From David and Mary's marriage certificate I know David's father was John Thomas, a mason. I think there are probably the ones in the 1841 census for Wiston - David aged 12 with parents John 50 and Sarah 51, and siblings Ann 20 and William 15. 

I have had problems researching the Thomas' branch of my ancestors (wrong data from a published family tree), but I am now sure David and Mary are the right ones since I have the names of their offspring from a living relative.

I will follow up your other tips and also search this site for Hitchings.

Once again many thanks

Kind regards

Brian

[Orielbenfro]

Maybe the baptism was somewhere else close by? From David and Mary's marriage certificate I know David's father was John Thomas, a mason

Did not make myself clear the baptism did not take place in or surroundings parishes to Wiston circa 1827.
Nor can I find any reference to Ann or William in Wiston or surrounding parishes, whcih would lead me to suspect ~ Chapel.
All is not lost, pre Sept 1837 all mrge by law took place in established church (no so Bapt and Burial), it may well be that John Thomas mrd Sarah Richards at Wiston in 1807, there is no mrge to equate to a John & Sarah 1807 to 1821 in Wiston.
Have you looked at the will of Thomas Richard of Clover Lamborough (also known as 'Lambro') on the NLoW website dated 1825 reference nbr SD1825-348, this may well cross reference your 1841 census entry, but means there are currently 2 children missing to John & Sarah.

Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname

[Dutch Uncle]

Orielbenfro - Apologies if I suggested something foolish, it was born of ignorance and incomplete understanding on my side.

Following your tip I have checked the Will and it is intriguing. Since David Thomas was born in ca 1828, and William in ca 1826, they would not have been born when the Will was signed in 1825 - hence there are probably at least 4 missing children of John and Sarah, if Sarah is indeed the same.   

So if Sarah Richard(s) is the same Sarah Thomas, then although 1807 to 1821 would seem to be a long time to have only 2 children, but 4 or 5 might be more likely (plus possibly some infant mortalities). However 16 and 17 would seem to be very young for a couple to wed, but probably I am using modern norms to judge.

Once again many thanks for your help, and I am happy to leave this here and follow up other branches.

Kind regards

Brian

[Morganllan]

I am pretty sure this family has been discussed else where on this forum, so my apologies if I am repeating information already known.

Orielbenfro is correct. 

See this thread re Martha Thomas in 1861/1871:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,553629.0.html

Kind Regards
Morgan

[Dutch Uncle]

Absolutely amazing

This totally duplicates what I have researched in the last few weeks - the same censuses, the same questions, and even successfully requesting the same marriage certificate for David Thomas and Mary Hitchings. I am descended from David and Mary Thomas' daughter Mary aged 2 in the 1861 census; Phil Goater (who I will pm) is descended from her elder sister Martha.

This must have been an incredibly strong deja vu moment for Orielbenfro!

Many thanks Morganllan and Orielbenfro

Regards

Brian

P.S. Lesson learned - look carefully at all thread titles on this board and see what others have done 

 

[Morganllan]

Yes, Brian, I also experienced Deja Vu (and I've had it before  )

You can also use the Search Rootschat facility, which is quicker than looking through subject headings:

http://www.rootschat.com/help/search.php

Kind Regards
Morgan