Ann Sadler of Coventry missing birth record

[micksheff]

I'm trying to find the birth record of Ann Sadler who married Thomas Spicer in 1841. Her father is listed as Thomas Sadler on the marriage record but I'm struggling to find a birth record to identify who her mother was. Can anyone help me?

[rosie99]

Hi micksheff

Welcome to rootschat 

Approximately what year was she born?

Rosie

[hanes teulu]

A very warm welcome to Rootschat.

There is a Thomas (age 20) and Ann (age 25) Spicer on the 1841 Census with a Thomas Saddler - age 6.

On the 1851 Census this Thomas Sadler is described as "Son in Law" to Thomas Spicer, head of household. "Son in law" can mean "stepson", indicating Ann may have previously been married and that Thomas Saddler may be her son. A Thomas Sadler was baptised 23/3/1836, St Michael, Coventry, parents Charles and Ann Sadler (IGI extracted record)

If you have the marriage certificate, what is Ann's marital status (ie. spinster? widow?) - if given?

regards 

[micksheff]

Thanks for the welcome messages and your prompt replies

I don't have the marriage certificate of Thomas Spicer and Ann Sadler but their entry is listed at http://www.hunimex.net/warwick/bmd/Coventry/Holy%20Trinity%20Marriages%201837-1842a.pdf where Ann is described as a spinster.
 
I'd seen the 1841 census record and that does relate to the same people so I'd wonder if perhaps Thomas Sadler was illegitimate or if Ann had been married before. It's interesting that his parents are listed as Charles and Ann Sadler so I wonder if perhaps her spinster status is incorrect?

Ann Spicer (nee Sadler) died in 1893 aged 76 so she would have been born around 1817.

[hanes teulu]

FreeBMD has the death registration of
Charles Saddler, Coventry, Dec 1839, 16  271

This would fit with Ann possibly remarrying.

However, Ann has given her father as Thomas Sadler on the marriage cert - mmmm........?

The Thomas baptised 23/3/1836 isn't necessarily/definitely the Thomas on the 1841/51 censuses. It's just that his mother is an Ann - the only IGI entry that fitted

Re the website you have quoted - can you find Charles Saddler and Ann ?'s marriage?

regards  

[micksheff]

I hadn't seen that death record for Charles Saddler before so thanks for that bit of info. He was only aged 16 when he died so it could fit that he was Thomas's father and that Ann then married Thomas Spicer but the bit that doesn't fit is that Ann's fathers name was Thomas Sadler unless Charles and Ann were related (cousins maybe) and shared the same surname. A bit of a wildshot I know.

I haven't been able to find any marriage record for a Charles Saddler and Ann which still makes me think he was possibly illegitimate especially as the parents would have been young but I do think that the IGI record is the same individual in the 1841 census. If Thomas Sadler was illegitate could he still be baptised and could his father still be named on the record?

What I do know is that Thomas Spicer and Ann had several children including John (my 4x great granfather). Thomas Sadler was raised in the same household but I don't know if ever married or anything about him and its always been a bit of mystery as to who he actually was.

[hanes teulu]

Charles Saddler age 16?

The "16" in the FreeBMD reference above is the Volume Number - age at death didn't start appearing until the mid 1860s.

FreeBMD has the marriage registration
Thomas Saddler, Coventry, Sep 1860, 6d 531

Possibility?

regards

[micksheff]

Charles Saddler age 16?

The "16" in the FreeBMD reference above is the Volume Number - age at death didn't start appearing until the mid 1860s.

FreeBMD has the marriage registration
Thomas Saddler, Coventry, Sep 1860, 6d 531

Possibility?

regards

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